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You should know that if you're going to sight him as a source of info, If a coach's pupils find no success, how astute could his observations possibly be? I'm not putting Firas into that group. I'm just illustrating that because someone sounds like they know what they're talking about doesn't actually mean they have a clue.\
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I really don't know the ins & outs of the MMA coaches. But personally, Firas is one I do listen to. Like I said, he gives sound technical breakdowns. He has a philosophy and is analytical. As to fighter rankings, success ratios, I don't compile those stats as many a forum user does. I concede that angle to MMA observers.
What I try to do is label decent stuff, decent stuff. If it's garbage, I label it garbage. And with the caveat I'm traditional karate.
On the coaches in MMA in general, all are trying to promote themselves. I find I can't condemn Tarverdyan the way I see him pilloried day-in-and-day-out in social media. Guy's got faults.... and easy target for social media.
I do believe some of the coaching feedback he's given Rousey is "yes man." Maybe that's what Ronda requires in a coaching relationship. Again, the theme of this thread is, "...its' the fighter @ the end of the day."
To end on Zahabi, he's not my man. But he's successfully built an MMA school operation and has good content, a reasoned perspective. He's worth following for MMA, IMO.
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All I remember of that fight is how God damn boring it was to watch in person. I wouldn't have hated it on tv, but in the building I almost hung myself.
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Not quite. It was 100 degrees in that building everyone just wanted it to be over so we could go the fuck home.
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I am interested to hear more about these points. Is there a book I can read or website I can visit?Ya MMA Hardcore want bread crumbs, here's 20 that karate-address what is wrong with Rousey... as a lead-in of course.. Contrast against Zahabi-san (OP) and enjoy your snack:
1. Karate-do begins with courtesy and ends with rei.
2. There is no first strike in karate.
3. Karate is an aid to justice.
4. First know yourself, then know others.
5. Spirit first, technique second.
6. Always be ready to release your mind.
7. Accidents arise from negligence.
8. Do not think that karate training is only in the dojo.
9. It will take your entire life to learn karate, there is no limit.
10. Put your everyday living into karate and you will find "Myo" (subtle secrets).
11. Karate is like boiling water, if you do not heat it constantly, it will cool.
12. Do not think that you have to win, think rather that you do not have to lose.
13. Victory depends on your ability to distinguish vulnerable points from invulnerable ones.
14. The outcome of battle depends on how you handle weakness and strength.
15. Think of your opponents hands and feet as swords.
16. When you leave home, think that you have numerous opponents waiting for you.
17. Beginners must master low stance and posture, natural body positions are for the advanced.
18. Practicing kata exactly is one thing, engaging in a real fight is another.
19. Do not forget to correctly apply strength and weakness of power, stretching and contraction of the body, and slowness and speed of techniques.
20. Always think and devise ways to live the precepts of karate-do every day.
WOW, that's mouthful of karate-philosophy / gibberish. Competes head on with Edmond's, "...HEAD MOVEMENT, HEAD MOVEMENT, X20;!" I'd say.
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I'll interject here and say this and will say it again. The job Ronda Rousey did promoting herself, the UFC, and specifically WMMA has never been topped, IMHO, likely never will be
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Now IMO, a quick hit at the one's Ronda Rousey violates(d).
1., 2., 3?, 4 {big-time}, 5 {big-time}, 6?, 7?, 8, 9. {big-time}, 10. {ultra, big-time}, 11. {yes & no}, 12. {fatal, big-time}, 14., 15, 17., 18 {in principle, big-time}, 20.
The ones Ronda got.
13., 16., 19. Maybe 3. Maybe 6, 7. A qualified 11.
Truth be told, I only looked into these Shotokan karate guiding precepts once I started following MMA. My style of karate doesn't have these specific guiding principles, but another equally touchy-feel, overly vague set or sets.
So what's the first cut-upshot of all this blabber y I've been rightly accused of? I don't see any mention of the sensei here. No Sensei Tarverdyan Edmond in mention-able sight. I see only the practitioner. Sorry Firas
This video is kind of old, it's from when Ronda lost to Holly but here's Freddie Roach talking about when Ronda came to his gym around 2:20 of the video. Not about Ronda but Roach was talking about Edmond, how he used to have good stable of talented Armenian fighters which he dropped all of them when Ronda came to him.
That's a fair question. Let me continue to flesh out the thread. That'll allow me time to think about it.
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I look forward to learning more. Feel free to pm me if you would care to have a correspondence.
HOWEVER, we had a mod poke his head in. Concerned about the tone. Well, now my concern is can people, here MMA interested parties listen? We have so,so, so many complaints about ET. To the serious about MMA, WHICH IS WHO THIS THREAD IS FOR, STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT EDMOND & LISTEN!
Not concerned, confused. You were writing as if you were getting blowback from somewhere. I haven't seen that on TMMAC personally, hence my confusion.
AGAIN, HERE IS THE THEME OF THIS THREAD. HERE IS NOT CRAPPING ON SOMEONE. HERE ARE YOUNG WOMEN TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR OWN SUCCESS, IN A DISCIPLINED, HUNDRED-YEAR OLD PROGRAM (SHOTOKAN KARATE) OF MARTIAL ARTS COMPETITION.
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You come off like Karate Dan Quinn.
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Some students need a little prodding. Traditional karate is a thinking man's game.
A huge, huge criticism about Ronda against Holm, all over MMA forum boards, was how she just repeated the same bullying advances on Holm, then taking repeated, repeated punishment from Holm. Punishment which, post-fight, put her on the sidelines for a protracted period of time with another massive fail by using the same tactic pretty much against Nunes.
The moral of the 20 precepts, however problematic an intellectual laudatory by some deceased Japanese karate master, is HOW NOT TO DO WHAT RONDA HAS DONE AT THE "END" ("ENDING") OF HER MMA CAREER. I'm seeing a lot of the same old, tired, tar & feather ET.
Traditional karate is WORK, just like sound MMA. The more important work of th2 20 precepts, is HOW YOU WORK, is what does or does not carry the day......
EDIT: I PUT UP A VID OF SOME FEMALE KARATE KUMITE COMPETITORS THAT, IN PRINCIPLE, ADDRESSES THE MAJORITY, IN PRINCIPLE, OF WHAT IS LACKING, DEFICIENT IN RONDA STRIKING SKILL SET. One can do the same approach with Freddie Roach & boxing, Firas Z. & MMA striking.
What lessons can be learned? That my question I'm putting to in this thread.
