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SNIDELY WHIPLASH

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I dont follow America's internal politics but Obama seems like a real bitch. When he visited here people were not happy, the secret service asked our police not to let anyone with a bike chain within 5kms of where Obama was staying

Fucking pansy
Don't agree with you at all here. Also, Secret Service is just doing their job.

I'm not going to argue Obama though, these years have told me that people who hate him will always hate him no matter what the angle. I'm not as in love with him as day 1 but I think he's done far more than anyone wants to give him credit for. I won't argue anybody who disagrees, it's a losing proposal for all.

We'll go back to healthcare now...... :)
 

Lord Vutulaki

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Don't agree with you at all here. Also, Secret Service is just doing their job.

I'm not going to argue Obama though, these years have told me that people who hate him will always hate him no matter what the angle. I'm not as in love with him as day 1 but I think he's done far more than anyone wants to give him credit for. I won't argue anybody who disagrees, it's a losing proposal for all.

We'll go back to healthcare now...... :)

Do you know what a bike chain is mate?
 
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I can't tell if you're trolling.

The UK doesn't need the US military. The only conceivable threat to us is Russia and they want no part of fucking with us. They were hit hard by Aussie sanctions. Imagine an EU embargo?

The US needs its military to sustain the petrodollar and maintain a regular way of life for its citizens. When the petrodollar falls - and it's coming soon - the US economy is going to tank HARD. I feel bad for the American people who will be fucked over by the greed of Nixon.
You're able to effectively patrol your skies on your own, which is more than most of our NATO partners can do, but you still need our military. Not for actual assistance but for the threat of assistance.

You don't have the military resources to fight a war on two fronts. But what if that happened? It doesn't because countries know that daddy has your back.

Ffs you're building a new aircraft carrier and you don't even have jets to fly from it. So I guess your country asking for USMC
jets is "not needing our assistance"?
 

Yossarian

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Nah not quite but before I respond further when I watch american movies and someone get shot and taken to hospital and they wont treat them unless they have Insurance, does that reflect the real situation there or not?
 

KWingJitsu

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Nov 15, 2015
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Because the majority of Americans are retarded, and don't know what Socialism is

Majority of Americans don't know that America has been fundamentally socialist for like 80 years lol.
 

Disciplined Galt

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Socialism has worked very well for Scandinavia the past 100 years.

Now Sweden has gone full retard, but there are other deeper reasons for that which I will not expand upon here.
 

Leigh

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You're able to effectively patrol your skies on your own, which is more than most of our NATO partners can do, but you still need our military. Not for actual assistance but for the threat of assistance.

You don't have the military resources to fight a war on two fronts. But what if that happened? It doesn't because countries know that daddy has your back.

Ffs you're building a new aircraft carrier and you don't even have jets to fly from it. So I guess your country asking for USMC
jets is "not needing our assistance"?
What 2 fronts would be fighting? We haven't been successfully invaded since 1066. Our biggest actual threats are to our overseas territories, such as the Falklands, Gibraltar and Northern Ireland. We don't need the US. But in any case, this is a huge strawman and isn't relevant to the US healthcare system.
 

Disciplined Galt

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What 2 fronts would be fighting? We haven't been successfully invaded since 1066. Our biggest actual threats are to our overseas territories, such as the Falklands, Gibraltar and Northern Ireland. We don't need the US. But in any case, this is a huge strawman and isn't relevant to the US healthcare system.
 

Leigh

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so is the free healthcare not good enough then? or whats the deal with that?


after reading that it sounds kind of cunty, not meant that way at all. genuinely curious
Well as someone already linked, it is apparently better than US healthcare but private medical care means shorter waiting times and coverage for things outside of the NHS.

For example, I had back pain. Normally, the doctor would examine me, maybe send me for an x ray and give a diagnosis. Instead, I got a referral to a private specialist, got an immediate MRI etc.
 

Leigh

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yea, so either way you pay, like what does that cost to get that insurance?
About £50 a month for private medical coverage.
Like if i went to the er I pay a $75 co pay i think it is or maybe $150 (I dont pay that right there I'd be billed) , but i also pay nothing for my health insurance via my job and i only pay less than $10 a month for vision and dental
Wouldn't it be nice if you had no insurance premiums AND no bills for visiting the ER?

People get into huge debt for getting sick or hurt. There are always GoFundMe pages for sick kids. That's not cool.
 

Lord Vutulaki

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New study finds 45,000 deaths annually linked to lack of health coverage
Uninsured, working-age Americans have 40 percent higher death risk than privately insured counterparts
September 17, 2009
By David Cecere, Cambridge Health Alliance
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Nearly 45,000 annual deaths are associated with lack of health insurance, according to a new study published online today by theAmerican Journal of Public Health. That figure is about two and a half times higher than an estimate from the Institute of Medicine (IOM) in 2002.

The study, conducted at Harvard Medical School and Cambridge Health Alliance, found that uninsured, working-age Americans have a 40 percent higher risk of death than their privately insured counterparts, up from a 25 percent excess death rate found in 1993.

“The uninsured have a higher risk of death when compared to the privately insured, even after taking into account socioeconomics, health behaviors, and baseline health,” said lead authorAndrew Wilper, M.D., who currently teaches at the University of Washington School of Medicine. “We doctors have many new ways to prevent deaths from hypertension, diabetes, and heart disease — but only if patients can get into our offices and afford their medications.”

The study, which analyzed data from national surveys carried out by theCenters for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), assessed death rates after taking into account education, income, and many other factors, including smoking, drinking, and obesity. It estimated that lack of health insurance causes 44,789 excess deaths annually.

Previous estimates from the IOM and others had put that figure near 18,000. The methods used in the current study were similar to those employed by the IOM in 2002, which in turn were based on a pioneering 1993 study of health insurance and mortality.

Deaths associated with lack of health insurance now exceed those caused by many common killers such as kidney disease. An increase in the number of uninsured and an eroding medical safety net for the disadvantaged likely explain the substantial increase in the number of deaths, as the uninsured are more likely to go without needed care. Another factor contributing to the widening gap in the risk of death between those who have insurance and those who do not is the improved quality of care for those who can get it.

The researchers analyzed U.S. adults under age 65 who participated in the annual National Health and Nutrition Examination Surveys (NHANES) between 1986 and 1994. Respondents first answered detailed questions about their socioeconomic status and health and were then examined by physicians. The CDC tracked study participants to see who died by 2000.

The study found a 40 percent increased risk of death among the uninsured. As expected, death rates were also higher for males (37 percent increase), current or former smokers (102 percent and 42 percent increases), people who said that their health was fair or poor (126 percent increase), and those who examining physicians said were in fair or poor health (222 percent increase).

Steffie Woolhandler, study co-author, professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School, and a primary care physician at Cambridge Health Alliance, noted: “Historically, every other developed nation has achieved universal health care through some form of nonprofit national health insurance. Our failure to do so means that all Americans pay higher health care costs, and 45,000 pay with their lives.”

“The Institute of Medicine, using older studies, estimated that one American dies every 30 minutes from lack of health insurance,” remarked David Himmelstein, study co-author, associate professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School, and a primary care physician at Cambridge Health Alliance.
“Even this grim figure is an underestimate — now one dies every 12 minutes.”

Other authors include Karen E. Lasser, Danny McCormick, David H. Bor, and David U. Himmelstein. The study was supported by a National Service Research Award.
 

Lord Vutulaki

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189 Central African Republic
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Robbie Hart

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49 Malaysia
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60 Philippines
61 Mexico
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64 Kazakhstan
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66 Hungary
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70 Turkey
71 Nicaragua
72 Belarus
73 Lithuania
74 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
75 Argentina
76 Sri Lanka
77 Estonia
78 Guatemala
79 Ukraine
80 Solomon Islands
81 Algeria
82 Palau
83 Jordan
84 Mauritius
85 Grenada
86 Antigua and Barbuda
87 Libya
88 Bangladesh
89 Macedonia
90 Bosnia-Herzegovina
91 Lebanon
92 Indonesia
93 Iran
94 Bahamas
95 Panama
96 Fiji
97 Benin
98 Nauru
99 Romania
100 Saint Kitts and Nevis
101 Moldova
102 Bulgaria
103 Iraq
104 Armenia
105 Latvia
106 Yugoslavia
107 Cook Islands
108 Syria
109 Azerbaijan
110 Suriname
111 Ecuador
112 India
113 Cape Verde
114 Georgia
115 El Salvador
116 Tonga
117 Uzbekistan
118 Comoros
119 Samoa
120 Yemen
121 Niue
122 Pakistan
123 Micronesia
124 Bhutan
125 Brazil
126 Bolivia
127 Vanuatu 128 Guyana
129 Peru
130 Russia
131 Honduras
132 Burkina Faso
133 Sao Tome and Principe
134 Sudan
135 Ghana
136 Tuvalu
137 Ivory Coast
138 Haiti
139 Gabon
140 Kenya
141 Marshall Islands
142 Kiribati
143 Burundi
144 China
145 Mongolia
146 Gambia
147 Maldives
148 Papua New Guinea
149 Uganda
150 Nepal
151 Kyrgystan
152 Togo
153 Turkmenistan
154 Tajikistan
155 Zimbabwe
156 Tanzania
157 Djibouti
158 Eritrea
159 Madagascar
160 Vietnam
161 Guinea
162 Mauritania
163 Mali
164 Cameroon
165 Laos
166 Congo
167 North Korea
168 Namibia
169 Botswana
170 Niger
171 Equatorial Guinea
172 Rwanda
173 Afghanistan
174 Cambodia
175 South Africa
176 Guinea-Bissau
177 Swaziland
178 Chad
179 Somalia
180 Ethiopia
181 Angola
182 Zambia
183 Lesotho
184 Mozambique
185 Malawi
186 Liberia
187 Nigeria
188 Democratic Republic of the Congo
189 Central African Republic
190 Myanmar
Remind me not to move to Myanmar
 

Disciplined Galt

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2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 USA
38 Slovenia
39 Cuba
40 Brunei
41 New Zealand
42 Bahrain
43 Croatia
44 Qatar
45 Kuwait
46 Barbados
47 Thailand
48 Czech Republic
49 Malaysia
50 Poland
51 Dominican Republic
52 Tunisia
53 Jamaica
54 Venezuela
55 Albania
56 Seychelles
57 Paraguay
58 South Korea
59 Senegal
60 Philippines
61 Mexico
62 Slovakia
63 Egypt
64 Kazakhstan
65 Uruguay
66 Hungary
67 Trinidad and Tobago
68 Saint Lucia
69 Belize
70 Turkey
71 Nicaragua
72 Belarus
73 Lithuania
74 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
75 Argentina
76 Sri Lanka
77 Estonia
78 Guatemala
79 Ukraine
80 Solomon Islands
81 Algeria
82 Palau
83 Jordan
84 Mauritius
85 Grenada
86 Antigua and Barbuda
87 Libya
88 Bangladesh
89 Macedonia
90 Bosnia-Herzegovina
91 Lebanon
92 Indonesia
93 Iran
94 Bahamas
95 Panama
96 Fiji
97 Benin
98 Nauru
99 Romania
100 Saint Kitts and Nevis
101 Moldova
102 Bulgaria
103 Iraq
104 Armenia
105 Latvia
106 Yugoslavia
107 Cook Islands
108 Syria
109 Azerbaijan
110 Suriname
111 Ecuador
112 India
113 Cape Verde
114 Georgia
115 El Salvador
116 Tonga
117 Uzbekistan
118 Comoros
119 Samoa
120 Yemen
121 Niue
122 Pakistan
123 Micronesia
124 Bhutan
125 Brazil
126 Bolivia
127 Vanuatu 128 Guyana
129 Peru
130 Russia
131 Honduras
132 Burkina Faso
133 Sao Tome and Principe
134 Sudan
135 Ghana
136 Tuvalu
137 Ivory Coast
138 Haiti
139 Gabon
140 Kenya
141 Marshall Islands
142 Kiribati
143 Burundi
144 China
145 Mongolia
146 Gambia
147 Maldives
148 Papua New Guinea
149 Uganda
150 Nepal
151 Kyrgystan
152 Togo
153 Turkmenistan
154 Tajikistan
155 Zimbabwe
156 Tanzania
157 Djibouti
158 Eritrea
159 Madagascar
160 Vietnam
161 Guinea
162 Mauritania
163 Mali
164 Cameroon
165 Laos
166 Congo
167 North Korea
168 Namibia
169 Botswana
170 Niger
171 Equatorial Guinea
172 Rwanda
173 Afghanistan
174 Cambodia
175 South Africa
176 Guinea-Bissau
177 Swaziland
178 Chad
179 Somalia
180 Ethiopia
181 Angola
182 Zambia
183 Lesotho
184 Mozambique
185 Malawi
186 Liberia
187 Nigeria
188 Democratic Republic of the Congo
189 Central African Republic
190 Myanmar

That list is bullshit, source your stuff properly Vutu. It's just made up to fuck with first worlders.
 

Disciplined Galt

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Dont move to Myanmar

Might not be a bad idea actually. If you're a middle-class American or Western Youropean life isn't bad at all in Burma. If you're born in one of the separatist tribes life usually sucks.

And if it wasn't for American money paying for heroin and meth from the northeastern tribes there probably wouldn't be a conflict. Might be total subjugation which could be worse, shit is hard to tell.
 

Disciplined Galt

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My ass is a source of equal credibility. Thailand doesn't place on the list eh? Pretty much the same system as Sweden for us 99%ers. You can get good emergency health care for anything, including gun shot wounds for about 2 000 baht.
That is slightly more expensive than in Sweden. The care is slightly worse than in Sweden I'd say, when I got bottled a couple of years back it cut my upper lip to my nostril, I got a private hospital for about 13k baht, American educated doctor. When I got stabbed in the arm I went to a govt hospital, the scarring is not bad at all. Nurse stitched me up real good and I went to a clinic to pluck them, off duty doctor did it. Also American educated but worked extra at a clinic. Could barely believe that I had a doctor pluck stitches, I've had friends without any medical knowledge both stitch and pluck. Sorry, day-drunk.
 

Lord Vutulaki

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My ass is a source of equal credibility. Thailand doesn't place on the list eh? Pretty much the same system as Sweden for us 99%ers. You can get good emergency health care for anything, including gun shot wounds for about 2 000 baht.
That is slightly more expensive than in Sweden. The care is slightly worse than in Sweden I'd say, when I got bottled a couple of years back it cut my upper lip to my nostril, I got a private hospital for about 13k baht, American educated doctor. When I got stabbed in the arm I went to a govt hospital, the scarring is not bad at all. Nurse stitched me up real good and I went to a clinic to pluck them, off duty doctor did it. Also American educated but worked extra at a clinic. Could barely believe that I had a doctor pluck stitches, I've had friends without any medical knowledge both stitch and pluck. Sorry, day-drunk.

Thailand is on the list. #47.