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Filthy

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Democratise the workplace and replace shareholders with employees such that their success is tied to the success of the company.
but who makes the day-to-day decisions? the ones that need to be made in the moment, or the ones that define strategic visions?
 
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Democratise the workplace and replace shareholders with employees such that their success is tied to the success of the company.
Holy shit..putting you on ignore. You are a absolute moron. You have 0 idea how business works or how they get money to even hire employees..make products, distribution, etc
 

Zeph

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but who makes the day-to-day decisions? the ones that need to be made in the moment, or the ones that define strategic visions?
There could be different models, but the business could operate on presidential elections and then appointments through the rest of the company, or completely democratized. In such that a worker would vote for the boss directly above them as well as the president of the company. Employee wages would be butressed by a % of profit such that they are incentivized to vote for who they believe will best serve the company's interests.
 
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You guys are having arguments with antifa minded commies. Think about that before you waste your time making long counter posts
 
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There could be different models, but the business could operate on presidential elections and then appointments through the rest of the company, or completely democratized. In such that a worker would vote for the boss directly above them as well as the president of the company. Employee wages would be butressed by a % of profit such that they are incentivized to vote for who they believe will best serve the company's interests.
Shut up commie
 

silentsinger

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Just drove for the first time in a week and a half, the roads weren't half as empty as I expected them to be and Rite Aid was virtually empty.
 

Yossarian

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Very, very few publicly traded companies stash away their cash. It's actually frowned upon by investors. They want cash flooded back into the company to promote growth.

I agree about small businesses needing to be self-reliant so they can survive hardship, but you don't have 4 small businesses employing 360,000+ people. That's why the big guys get the preferential treatment.
Well, this is what they call pure capitalism, you guys love it so much. There ya go. These socialist bailouts need to be ended right now. Sorry Bernie bros. Enough of the bubbles we put our tax money in.
 

Hauler

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Well, this is what they call pure capitalism, you guys love it so much. There ya go. These socialist bailouts need to be ended right now. Sorry Bernie bros. Enough of the bubbles we put our tax money in.
Bailout
Loan
 

Yossarian

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Bailout
Loan
Yeah like Chevy in 2008 right? They now in China, saying Ni hao with our dollars. We don't need to travel other than cargo right now and essential first responders, commerce. Travel is what did us in, schools closed but still people going from place to place? makes sense. No not worried about planes flying right now, other than cargo and essentials.
 

Yossarian

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I would make it a workers co-op such that the profits are shared with the employees. Democratise it too. Employees vote on their bosses.
That sounds too much like Lord Of The Flies type shit to me man.... people would still need to be in their positions due to their skills and knowledge, not popularity.
 

Zeph

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That sounds too much like Lord Of The Flies type shit to me man.... people would still need to be in their positions due to their skills and knowledge, not popularity.
yeah noone gets promoted above their skills now
 

Hauler

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Yeah like Chevy in 2008 right? They now in China, saying Ni hao with our dollars. We don't need to travel other than cargo right now and essential first responders, commerce. Travel is what did us in, schools closed but still people going from place to place? makes sense. No not worried about planes flying right now, other than cargo and essentials.
GM paid off their loan.
But I don't think that's an apples to apples based on what the airlines are going through.
 

Yossarian

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GM paid off their loan.
But I don't think that's an apples to apples based on what the airlines are going through.
Giving the airlines money does not change that demand is going to be low for a long time. Why put money into an industry that is going to be on the back burner for quite some time. Give money for them to have planes on the ground? That gap is going to be here for a long time. Nobody wants to be on a cruise or be in an airplane, sending them money will not change that. It's a risk. That money needs to be going towards the people that will lose everything, so they still have spending power when they Do decide to fly again. It's not like planes will seize to exist. We will be back again, just not now. That goes for tourism, cruises, at the movies. It's throwing money at the symptoms, not the source.
 

Hauler

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Yeah like Chevy in 2008 right? They now in China, saying Ni hao with our dollars. We don't need to travel other than cargo right now and essential first responders, commerce. Travel is what did us in, schools closed but still people going from place to place? makes sense. No not worried about planes flying right now, other than cargo and essentials.
GM paid off their loan.
But I don't think that's an apples to apples based on what the airlines are going through.
Giving the airlines money does not change that demand is going to be low for a long time. Why put money into an industry that is going to be on the back burner for quite some time. Give money for them to have planes on the ground? That gap is going to be here for a long time. Nobody wants to be on a cruise or be in an airplane, sending them money will not change that. It's a risk. That money needs to be going towards the people that will lose everything, so they still have spending power when they Do decide to fly again. It's not like planes will seize to exist. We will be back again, just not now. That goes for tourism, cruises, at the movies. It's throwing money at the symptoms, not the source.
I don't see this downturn being anything close to the housing crash. Once we are clear in a month or so, we'll be back in business as a nation.

People aren't going to stop flying. Hell, people are still flying now.

But if you let these big guys go under, that's when you can start talking about a very slow recovery.
 
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Giving the airlines money does not change that demand is going to be low for a long time. Why put money into an industry that is going to be on the back burner for quite some time. Give money for them to have planes on the ground? That gap is going to be here for a long time. Nobody wants to be on a cruise or be in an airplane, sending them money will not change that. It's a risk. That money needs to be going towards the people that will lose everything, so they still have spending power when they Do decide to fly again. It's not like planes will seize to exist. We will be back again, just not now. That goes for tourism, cruises, at the movies. It's throwing money at the symptoms, not the source.
If anything it's a good stress test for certain industries.

If they can't survive 4 months with little to no revenue, they probably need better contingency plans.
 

Yossarian

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If anything it's a good stress test for certain industries.

If they can't survive 4 months with little to no revenue, they probably need better contingency plans.
Don't get me wrong, I feel bad for people that lose their jobs over it. But it's just not that industry, it's coming from all sides now.