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Opinion | An Update on the Coronavirus Treatment

An Update on the Coronavirus Treatment

Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin continue to show results for patients.

By Jeff Colyer

March 29, 2020 3:23 pm ET


In the fight against Covid-19 though we might look forward in doom, one day we will look backward in awe. In an article last week, I discussed a promising drug combination to treat the disease. There is now new data supporting this treatment. Since then, Kansas City area physicians, including Joe Brewer, Dan Hinthorn and me, continue to treat many patients, and some have shown improvement. Major medical centers including the University of Washington and Mass General have added hydroxychloroquine to treatment options. So here’s an update, a response to some questions that have come up, and suggestions based on the latest information.

What is the treatment?

Physicians are using two drugs in combination—hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin, which I’ll abbreviate HC and AZ—to treat patients with advanced Covid-19 symptoms. We use a regimen reported in a recent open-label trial in Marseille, France, which was updated March 26, and which doctors may modify in any given case.

What is the evidence?

For HC, two bodies of evidence support its potential in treating Covid-19: in vitro (test tube) studies and initial clinical reports from the field. After the 2002-03 global outbreak of SARS, a coronavirus related to the one that causes Covid-19, an in vitro study conducted by doctors from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention identified chloroquine (a relative of HC) as an attractive option for prevention and treatment. If added before the virus was introduced, the drug was highly effective in preventing cellular infection. Even later application markedly inhibited infection. Another contemporaneous study showed similar results. As for Covid, a Chinese study published March 9 showed HC has excellent in vitro effects. Other recent information suggests potential antiviral mechanisms of HC and chloroquine.


The bedrock of all infectious medicine, from developing treatments for specific infections to treating individual patients, is in vitro laboratory testing and patient trials. Covid-19 is no exception. Current laboratory data suggest that HC should work.

Clinical information has also emerged from Covid treatment. During the initial Chinese outbreak, Wuhan doctors observed that patients with lupus—a disease for which HC is a common treatment—did not seem to develop Covid-19. Of 178 hospital patients who tested positive, none had lupus and none were on HC. None of this Wuhan hospital’s dermatology department’s 80 lupus patients were infected with the novel coronavirus. The Wuhan doctors hypothesized that this may be due to long-term use of HC. They treated 20 Covid-19 patients with HC. Their result: “Clinical symptoms improve significantly in 1 to 2 days. After five days of chest CT examination, 19 cases showed significant absorption improvement.”

Second, consider AZ—the antibiotic marketed as Z-Pak—combined with HC. The French study showed that 57% of 14 Covid-19 patients receiving HC without AZ tested negative for the virus on a nasal swab on day six. But 100% of the six patients who received both HC and AZ tested negative on day six. Compare that with 16 infected patients at another hospital who didn’t receive either treatment: only 12% tested negative on day six. These are small samples, but significant.

The authors of the French study last week published the results of an additional 80 hospitalized patients receiving a combination of HC and AZ. By day eight of treatment, 93% showed a negative nasopharyngeal swab for the virus. “This allowed patients to rapidly be discharged from highly contagious wards with a mean length of stay of five days,” the authors write. “Other teams should urgently evaluate this cost-effective therapeutic strategy, to both avoid the spread of the disease and treat patients as soon as possible before severe respiratory irreversible complications take hold.” I agree.

What are the risks?

The World Health Organization lists both HC and AZ as essential medicines, “considered to be the most effective and safe to meet the most important needs in a health system.” These drugs have been in use for many years—HC since 1955 and AZ since 1988. Only the combination is new. For now it isn’t well understood why the mix is so effective.

The clinical information service Lexicomp lists the interaction between HC and AZ as Category B, which means the majority of patients require no special caution. Long-term HC use can have adverse effects. Chronic use can cause eye problems. Heartbeat arrhythmia is occasionally observed. Increased electrocardiogram tracking may be appropriate for patients at risk of the latter effect. Potential mental-health effects should be closely observed.

All drugs have side effects, and HC’s overall record is safe. Yes, this is an “off label” use. But that isn’t unusual, either. One study showed 21% of U.S. prescriptions were for off-label use.

These drugs are still needed to treat malaria, lupus and other diseases, which makes it important not to exhaust supplies treating Covid-19 patients. Yet this is a historic pandemic, and treatment with HC and AZ shows considerable promise. That is reason to increase supplies quickly.

What are the next steps?

New York state has started a large controlled clinical trial, and there are reports of others. Many believe that patients who can’t be in a trial should be allowed to decide, in consultation with a physician, whether to use this treatment. This is happening in some U.S. practices.

In a perfect world with unlimited supplies, any infected patient could receive treatment. With limited supplies, we should treat the sickest first and be strategic about it. We should consider this regimen for highly exposed people such as health-care workers and first responders. These heroes in the war against Covid-19 deserve protection.

Early treatment is always better, whether for cancer, diabetes or infection. The in vitro results, field experience and French trial suggest Covid-19 is no different. If this regimen’s promise is borne out by more data, and if supply is ramped up, then we can expand treatment.

For my entire career, I have taken a conservative approach to medicine. I don’t want to give false or premature hope. All of this is subject to further refinement as more information arrives. But likewise I can’t ignore the available evidence. This appears to be the best widely available option for treating Covid-19 and not merely easing the suffering from the disease. It would be irresponsible not to pursue this option aggressively.

Dr. Colyer is a practicing physician. He served as governor of Kansas, 2018-19.
it's been known for awhile, but there are issues not discussed here...like availability, and how sensitive/dangerous the dosage is person to person.

the POTUS went on TV and overstated the efficacy and availability of the drug, and now people who need it as life-saving medicine can't get it because every doctor and dentist ordered a shitload of off-script for themselves and their families.
 

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it's been known for awhile, but there are issues not discussed here...like availability, and how sensitive/dangerous the dosage is person to person.

the POTUS went on TV and overstated the efficacy and availability of the drug, and now people who need it as life-saving medicine can't get it because every doctor and dentist ordered a shitload of off-script for themselves and their families.
That sounds like a problem with professionals not acting in a professional manner.
 

Filthy

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That sounds like a problem with professionals not acting in a professional manner.
it's also part of a pattern of irresponsible comments and actions by our leaders (both sides).
I take particular issue with our POTUS downplaying risks, dismissing the need for containment, shipping 18 tons of PPE to China and not restocking it, overstating the efficacy/availability of pharmaceuticals and the seasonality of the virus, understating the importance of non-pharmaceutical intervention until it was far too late, and the push to saddle every American with $15k of debt in exchange for a $1.2k payout in the name of socializing private debt resulting from egregious mis-management.

it's hard to blame people for acting in their own selfish best interests...unless that person was elected to act in the interest of We The People.
 

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it's also part of a pattern of irresponsible comments and actions by our leaders (both sides).
I take particular issue with our POTUS downplaying risks, dismissing the need for containment, shipping 18 tons of PPE to China and not restocking it, overstating the efficacy/availability of pharmaceuticals and the seasonality of the virus, understating the importance of non-pharmaceutical intervention until it was far too late, and the push to saddle every American with $15k of debt in exchange for a $1.2k payout in the name of socializing private debt resulting from egregious mis-management.

it's hard to blame people for acting in their own selfish best interests...unless that person was elected to act in the interest of We The People.
At this point if you listen to the first thing out of trumps mouth you're kind of a moron if you don't fact check.
 

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At this point if you listen to the first thing out of trumps mouth you're kind of a moron if you don't fact check.
i just don't understand how he can lie about his previous lies, with people reading those previous lies back to him...and people still think it's irrational TrumpHate that drives the criticism.
 

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it's also part of a pattern of irresponsible comments and actions by our leaders (both sides).
I take particular issue with our POTUS downplaying risks, dismissing the need for containment, shipping 18 tons of PPE to China and not restocking it, overstating the efficacy/availability of pharmaceuticals and the seasonality of the virus, understating the importance of non-pharmaceutical intervention until it was far too late, and the push to saddle every American with $15k of debt in exchange for a $1.2k payout in the name of socializing private debt resulting from egregious mis-management.

it's hard to blame people for acting in their own selfish best interests...unless that person was elected to act in the interest of We The People.
Oh My God!!! 18 tons of PPE to China! That’s not even 1 trailer load of equipment. Don’t be so dramatic.
 

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Kushner’s Shadow Task Force Appears to Violate Multiple Laws - CREW
Jared Kushner’s shadow coronavirus task force appears to be violating both the Presidential Records Act (PRA) and Federal Advisory Committee Act (FACA) by using private email accounts with no assurance their communications are being preserved and by meeting in secret, according to a letter sent today by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW). The failure of the White House to comply with any of the PRA and FACA requirements leaves the public in the dark about the work the shadow task force has done and the influence of private industries on the administration’s response to the coronavirus pandemic.

Kushner’s task force, composed of a team of allies from within the government and representatives from private industries, has operated adjacent to the official government task force spearheaded by Vice President Pence. With confusion over the shadow task force’s role and who its members are, and reports that the members of the shadow task force communicate using private email accounts, CREW has reason to believe the White House is not creating and maintaining accurate and complete records of the shadow task force’s activities as required by the PRA.

“If there was ever a time we need records and transparency, this is it. As the seriousness of this pandemic continues to grow, the public needs to understand who in the White House is making policy decisions, who from private industry is influencing those decisions, and how decisions to address this pandemic are being made,” said CREW Executive Director Noah Bookbinder. “After this crisis has passed, we will need to be able to look back at how this administration responded to the situation and have the full picture of what was going on behind closed doors in order to understand what we could do better in the future.”

The PRA requires the president and his staff to document, preserve and maintain records of “the activities, deliberations, decisions, and policies that reflect the performance of the President’s constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties.” With Kushner at the head, the shadow task force’s development and implementation of federal strategies to address the coronavirus pandemic fall within these requirements.

The shadow task force also appears to fall under FACA provisions, which are triggered whenever a committee within the Executive Office of the President is advising the president and is not “composed wholly of full-time, or permanent part-time, officers or employees of the Federal Government.” The FACA prohibits such committees from being “inappropriately influenced by the appointing authority or by any special interest.” Contrary to the FACA’s requirements, the shadow task force is operating in secret, with neither the members of Kushner’s committee nor their interests fully disclosed to the public. Understanding and preserving the committee’s actions and conversations will be key in understanding how the administration ultimately decided to approach its COVID-19 response efforts.

“As the American people turn to their elected officials for guidance on how to respond to the crisis at hand, they need to know that their leaders are acting transparently and in accordance with the law,” said Bookbinder. “There is no excuse for hiding information from the public that affects their lives in an extraordinary time.”
 

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That shit was restocked in 15 minutes at a 3M factory. You might want to turn off the TV for a bit and calm down.
source? 3M doesn't start making stuff just because you got rid of stuff...at least not for me.

Also, how do manufacturing backlogs work?
 

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Our ICU has been moved with foot traffic designated in to clean and dirty halls to avoid overlap.
We now have confirmed and PUI cases in our hospital.