General Corona virus updates

[BeardOfKnowledge]

it would help me if you talked about the US, but I can lean in to whatever country you're reppin

Here specifically there's no reason to believe the covid deaths are being over or under reported. We don't have packed hospitals which ups accuracy of reporting as it pertains to serious cases. In the early days when testing was basically non existent its possible it was over reported, because we were in the middle of flu season and reporting of flu deaths basically flew out the window.

In the U.S. they're likely under reported because NYC was a thing that happened. Worldwide I'd bet they're vastly under reported because there's no fucking way Chi-nuh is being honest.

 

[ThatOneDude]

i have a physics degree. don't come in here talking about instantaneous torque.

Do hybrids not assist with that? Especially when coupled with diesels?

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

you don't have to do an autoposy to determine if someone died from suicide or the onset of COVID.

We have every rational idea what people died from when they're counted as a COVID death. You're setting an irrelevant and unachievable bar for the 'goodness' of the data needed to determine the degree to which we are under-counting COVID deaths. This idea that you must have an autopsy to classify a death accurately would be without precedent in understanding communicable disease or aggregate mortality.

This is incorrect. At some point you're going to have to just accept that this isn't the plague you were hoping for.

 

[Freeloading Rusty]

Another lawyer on the Trump team, Jenna Ellis, tests positive for the virus. (Published 2020)

www.nytimes.com

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Another lawyer on the Trump team, Jenna Ellis, tests positive for the virus. (Published 2020)

www.nytimes.com

Is that Danny DeVito over her left shoulder?

 

[Filthy]

This is incorrect. At some point you're going to have to just accept that this isn't the plague you were hoping for.

specifically, what is incorrect.
Make blanket declarations like that is the equivalent of stating 'fake news'

also, not emotionally vested in this. just a data guy.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

specifically, what is incorrect.

The entire post.

also, not emotionally vested in this.

Bull shit. You've been in full panic mode since March.

 

[Filthy]

Do hybrids not assist with that? Especially when coupled with diesels?

torque happens with respect to time, if t=0 arc lengths are 0, derivatives are 1...something like that.
"instantaneous torque" is "virtually identical", if you know what I mean.

 

[Filthy]

The entire post.



Bull shit. You've been in full panic mode since March.

LoL at referring to my emotional state as panic. I'm totally the opposite of that. Blame the weed.

So it is not possible to evaluate cause of death, or if COVID was a lethal contributor, without an autopsy?

@Splinty - can we get a ruling here?

 

[ThatOneDude]

torque happens with respect to time, if t=0 arc lengths are 0, derivatives are 1...something like that.
"instantaneous torque" is "virtually identical", if you know what I mean.

Learn something new everyday.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

LoL at referring to my emotional state as panic.

I've seen you compare covid to the Spanish Flu, I've seen you question the efficacy of vaccines, and I've seen you repeatedly beat the drum of excess deaths even though I've explained the problem with the stat several times and even posted articles in this thread about it. Yes, you're panicking.

So it is not possible to evaluate cause of death, or if COVID was a lethal contributor, without an autopsy?

That's two different questions and the answer is maybe. If someone blows their brains out, yes. If someone just shows up dead on a gurney, no. That's long been the criticism of flu data recording. There's another more obvious problem with excess deaths, but I'll see if you figure out yourself or not.

 

[Filthy]

I've seen you compare covid to the Spanish Flu, I've seen you question the efficacy of vaccines, and I've seen you repeatedly beat the drum of excess deaths even though I've explained the problem with the stat several times and even posted articles in this thread about it. Yes, you're panicking.



That's two different questions and the answer is maybe. If someone blows their brains out, yes. If someone just shows up dead on a gurney, no. That's long been the criticism of flu data recording. There's another more obvious problem with excess deaths, but I'll see if you figure out yourself or not.

In what context did I compare it to the Spanish Flu? or are there absolutely no ways in which we could learn lessons from the Spanish Flu when dealing with the 'China Flu'?

It's right to question the efficacy of vaccines, especially when the facts of the situation (or lack of data) demand that we question results.

And excess mortality is a useful tool in understanding aggregate effects of single-source variability, e.g. the change in mortality during a pandemic.

 

[Filthy]

If someone just shows up dead on a gurney, no.

if someone shows up on a gurney without a positive test before they died, they won't be counted as a COVID death.
thanks for highlighting one of the mechanisms of under-reporting, as realized by the excess mortality figures.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

In what context did I compare it to the Spanish Flu?

You said it was one of the 7 things that was ending America. I said "It's not the Spanish Flu" to which you remarked "It's just getting warmed up."

It's right to question the efficacy of vaccines, especially when the facts of the situation (or lack of data) demand that we question results.

and what lack of data is that?

And excess mortality is a useful tool in understanding aggregate effects of single-source variability, e.g. the change in mortality during a pandemic.

It's a useful tool to tell you that mortality went up. Beyond that, it's useless. I'm still waiting to see if you figure out the bigger issue with it.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

if someone shows up on a gurney without a positive test before they died, they won't be counted as a COVID death.
thanks for highlighting one of the mechanisms of under-reporting, as realized by the excess mortality figures.

I didn't say it would be counted as a covid death. This post demonstrates the problem with excess death figures. Person could have died of anything, but you're immediately jumping to the conclusion that suits you.

 

[Filthy]

You said it was one of the 7 things that was ending America. I said "It's not the Spanish Flu" to which you remarked "It's just getting warmed up."

And how has the virus behaved? I would look back at that time relative to today and say that the virus was just getting warmed up. That's not panic, that's understanding how exponential curves work in practice.

and what lack of data is that?

any data, at the time. All we had was a press release stating number of patients (which was under-powered) and no actual results.

It's a useful tool to tell you that mortality went up. Beyond that, it's useless. I'm still waiting to see if you figure out the bigger issue with it.

absent another explanation, the indicator is that COVID is the primary contributor to excess deaths.
I don't know of another mechanism of "lockdowns" or other indirect means of death that have sufficient scope or mortality to explain the dramatic increase in deaths.

 

[Filthy]

I didn't say it would be counted as a covid death. This post demonstrates the problem with excess death figures. Person could have died of anything, but you're immediately jumping to the conclusion that suits you.

Could have died of COVID, but absolutely WILL NOT be counted as a COVID death without a positive test before death.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

I don't know of another mechanism of "lockdowns" or other indirect means of death that have sufficient scope or mortality to explain the dramatic increase in deaths.

In one Canadian province their excess overdose death rate was exceeding their covid death rate, might still be it's been awhile since I checked.

Could have died of COVID, but absolutely WILL NOT be counted as a COVID death without a positive test before death.

For the 100th time, I didn't say they would be recorded as a covid death. I'm simply pointing out to you the error of excess deaths as a measurement of covid impact.

Because you seem to be ignoring the elephant in the in room. At this point in 2019 America has 2.17 million deaths all cause. In 2020 it's 2.39. Covid has claimed 286k Americans. Good news, I found your excess deaths. They're covid and they're recorded.

 

[Filthy]

In one Canadian province their excess overdose death rate was exceeding their covid death rate, might still be it's been awhile since I checked.



For the 100th time, I didn't say they would be recorded as a covid death. I'm simply pointing out to you the error of excess deaths as a measurement of covid impact.

Because you seem to be ignoring the elephant in the in room. At this point in 2019 America has 2.17 million deaths all cause. In 2020 it's 2.39. Covid has claimed 286k Americans. Good news, I found your excess deaths. They're covid and they're recorded.

so with 80% of annual mortality counted, the data is comprehensive and there will be no more mortality reported.
We're back to me explaining the excess mortality data has a long lag, because here you are comparing apples to incomplete apples

 

[Filthy]

You said it was one of the 7 things that was ending America. I said "It's not the Spanish Flu" to which you remarked "It's just getting warmed up."

just realized you were quoting me from a thread that was totally tongue-in-cheek.
not your best source, fren.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

so with 80% of annual mortality counted, the data is comprehensive and there will be no more mortality reported.

You seem incapable of conversing without projecting and putting words into my mouth, so I'm going to see myself out, thanks.

 

[Filthy]

You seem incapable of conversing without projecting and putting words into my mouth, so I'm going to see myself out, thanks.

don't be sad. you're projecting when you say i'm projecting

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

don't be sad. you're projecting when you say i'm projecting

You've repeatedly suggested that I hold positions which I don't simply because I haven't flatly agreed with you.

 

[ThatOneDude]

You seem incapable of conversing without projecting and putting words into my mouth, so I'm going to see myself out, thanks.

 

[Thuglife13]

The Chinese Virus is so dangerous that you should only take the vaccine if you're white...

Cornell Requires Its Students to Get Vaccinated - but Not if They're Not White