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John Lee Pettimore

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I'm also an atheist (?) but basic respect to me means allowing others to worship who and how they see fit, and not hassling them about other religions or with my atheism. There are militant atheists. I like to be quietly correct.
To me, it's more important to respect truth telling. And religion is very much NOT in the business of truth. With few exceptions, they are in the business of control and domination.

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To me, it's more important to respect truth telling. And religion is very much NOT in the business of truth. With few exceptions, they are in the business of control and domination.

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Some of that is true.

My best friend belongs to a Lutheran church. I've been to their Sunday service, they're nice people. Not win you over nice, just normal nice. The services are friendly, I even gave a short Christmas blessing speech.

But it's a different subject, atheism, and maybe worthy of its own thread.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Absolutely.
But wrt to the Taliban, I just don't figure why they should exist. If every one suddenly vanished from the Earth, let's say Allah called them home, they'd be replaced by chill Muslims who aren't down with that hardcore bullshit.
Those are the Muslims I respect, the people happy to worship without fucking the place up with enforced behaviors.
The international community could replace "Taliban" with "America" and "Muslims" with "people" and be equally right.
 

John Lee Pettimore

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Absolutely.
But wrt to the Taliban, I just don't figure why they should exist. If every one suddenly vanished from the Earth, let's say Allah called them home, they'd be replaced by chill Muslims who aren't down with that hardcore bullshit.
Those are the Muslims I respect, the people happy to worship without fucking the place up with enforced behaviors.
You respect the Muslims who are happy to ignore the vast majority of their religion's instructions because of how violent and barbaric and vile they are, you mean.

Personally, I don't respect "moderate" Muslims, because you cannot be a "moderate" Muslim. Either the Koran and the hadith's claims are true and legitimate, or they are not. Either you believe that Muhammed's flying horsepeacockwoman was a real thing, or you are saying that the Koran is lying, and Islam is VERY clear on what the punishment for that stance is.

"Chill" Muslims need to wake the fuck up and demand that their faith moves out of the 14th Century. But of course, according to its foundational texts, it can never do that because it can never be altered or changed by humans. So it's just going to be an anchor on humanity for the next several centuries.

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John Lee Pettimore

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Some of that is true.

My best friend belongs to a Lutheran church. I've been to their Sunday service, they're nice people. Not win you over nice, just normal nice. The services are friendly, I even gave a short Christmas blessing speech.
They have been neutered by secular society. Give them a free hand, let them run things with no opposition, then come back in 30 years and see what's happened to women's and gay rights.

But it's a different subject, atheism, and maybe worthy of its own thread.
Agreed. ?

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You respect the Muslims who are happy to ignore the vast majority of their religion's instructions because of how violent and barbaric and vile they are, you mean.

Personally, I don't respect "moderate" Muslims, because you cannot be a "moderate" Muslim. Either the Koran and the hadith's claims are true and legitimate, or they are not. Either you believe that Muhammed's flying horsepeacockwoman was a real thing, or you are saying that the Koran is lying, and Islam is VERY clear on what the punishment for that stance is.

"Chill" Muslims need to wake the fuck up and demand that their faith moves out of the 14th Century. But of course, according to its foundational texts, it can never do that because it can never be altered or changed by humans. So it's just going to be an anchor on humanity for the next several centuries.

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Tell me you're not "that guy" at the party or family gatherings.

The one that's like vegans who can't pass up a chance to talk about it and annoy everybody.

Those are the folks who make non atheists roll their eyes when they hear you don't believe in God, expecting a tirade.
 

Filthy

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You respect the Muslims who are happy to ignore the vast majority of their religion's instructions because of how violent and barbaric and vile they are, you mean.

Personally, I don't respect "moderate" Muslims, because you cannot be a "moderate" Muslim. Either the Koran and the hadith's claims are true and legitimate, or they are not. Either you believe that Muhammed's flying horsepeacockwoman was a real thing, or you are saying that the Koran is lying, and Islam is VERY clear on what the punishment for that stance is.

"Chill" Muslims need to wake the fuck up and demand that their faith moves out of the 14th Century. But of course, according to its foundational texts, it can never do that because it can never be altered or changed by humans. So it's just going to be an anchor on humanity for the next several centuries.

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Either the Old Testament is true or it isn't.
Moderate Christianity is bullshit.
 
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Filthy

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Tell me you're not "that guy" at the party or family gatherings.

The one that's like vegans who can't pass up a chance to talk about it and annoy everybody.

Those are the folks who make non atheists roll their eyes when they hear you don't believe in God, expecting a tirade.
 

John Lee Pettimore

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Either the Old Testament is true or it isn't.
Moderate Christianity is bullshit.
Exactly!

That's why I left the Catholic Church sometime around age 12. Because that's as far as I got before I'd had a gutsful of the lies, the barbarism played off as morality, and the "don't ask questions just shut up and go along" mentality.

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Wait until you hear about this other religion "science".
Science has a self-correcting mechanism, that enables new conclusions if evidence or theory warrant such. It's called the scientific method.
"In science, 'fact' can only mean confirmed to such a degree that to withhold provisional assent is perverse."

Religion, all of them I think, are certain of their facts and no evidence can dislodge them.
 

John Lee Pettimore

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Science has a self-correcting mechanism, that enables new conclusions if evidence or theory warrant such. It's called the scientific method.
"In science, 'fact' can only mean confirmed to such a degree that to withhold provisional assent is perverse."

Religion, all of them I think, are certain of their facts and no evidence can dislodge them.
Such a clear and obvious point of difference that to even make the "point" that science and religion are essentially the same because they have both promoted inaccuracies....... you pretty much either have to be a legitimate moron, or just a boring troll.

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