California, at night time I am atto and at day I am CMNHWhere do you live now?!
California, at night time I am atto and at day I am CMNHWhere do you live now?!
Please don’t troll meCalifornia, at night time I am atto and at day I am CMNH
attention whores gotta whore.
reloading jokes were last page.Good thing they didn't get any ammo.
How many Muslims do you know well and interact with on a frequent basis?You respect the Muslims who are happy to ignore the vast majority of their religion's instructions because of how violent and barbaric and vile they are, you mean.
Personally, I don't respect "moderate" Muslims, because you cannot be a "moderate" Muslim. Either the Koran and the hadith's claims are true and legitimate, or they are not. Either you believe that Muhammed's flying horsepeacockwoman was a real thing, or you are saying that the Koran is lying, and Islam is VERY clear on what the punishment for that stance is.
"Chill" Muslims need to wake the fuck up and demand that their faith moves out of the 14th Century. But of course, according to its foundational texts, it can never do that because it can never be altered or changed by humans. So it's just going to be an anchor on humanity for the next several centuries.
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I used to play cricket with two Afghanis, they'll be at my engagement party in a couple of months. They're good sorts.How many Muslims do you know well and interact with on a frequent basis?
How do you reconcile them being good sorts, with you also not respecting moderate Muslims?I used to play cricket with two Afghanis, they'll be at my engagement party in a couple of months. They're good sorts.
I have a Muslim colleague who I get on well with (he's a cricket nut so that's an easy cultural connection, plus I love Bangladeshi food) and another who has never said more than six words at a time to me or any other male in the office.
And I and my colleagues had some face-to-face interactions with the local Islamic community after the mosque massacres. But I'm not gonna talk openly about that.
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I respect them as people.How do you reconcile them being good sorts, with you also not respecting moderate Muslims?
RightGood thing they didn't get any ammo.
None of this tracks.I respect them as people.
I don't respect their religion or their inability to turn their backs on it. (Though their families would immediately disown them and cut off all contact if they did, of course.)
They actually don't want to be Islamists, they want to be Westerners. There is a Muslim community team in the city's social cricket league, they chose not to join it because they wanted to socialise with the locals and not be insular and clannish. But their culture is so deeply tied into their religion, that they literally cannot renounce it without losing their entire family and community.
Our wicketkeeper's wife used to watch every game wearing a singlet with her tits hanging out, they avoided her because it made them uncomfortable. But they never talked shit or were rude to her.
They are good guys. But they struggle with their religion, because of how primitive, sexist and violent it is. Are you going to pretend that it isn't? Do you want your daughter or niece (I have no idea if you have kids) to grow up under ANY form of Islamic law?
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Ur describing fundamentalists of all brandsBut they struggle with their religion, because of how primitive, sexist and violent it is. Are you going to pretend that it isn't? Do you want your daughter or niece (I have no idea if you have kids) to grow up under ANY form of religious law?
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Yes, I don't have much time or respect for fundamentalist religious types of any stripe. Religious fundamentalism kills critical thinking and intellectual honesty.Ur describing fundamentalists of all brands
What a surprise.None of this tracks.
Lol@trying to move the goalposts by asking some irrelevant questions.
Actually had quite a bit of interaction with the local Islamic community following a horrific tragedy that you probably heard about.@John Lee Pettimore is almost done with his book "Everything I Needed to Know About Islam I Learned From Two Guys Who Don't Like Islam".
can't wait.
sure. I think that it's easy to understand the religious texts of Islam in a way that's not calling for the literal murder and subjugation of all non-believers. In fact, I think it's a corruption of the faith to interpret the religious texts in such a way.Actually had quite a bit of interaction with the local Islamic community following a horrific tragedy that you probably heard about.
Are you going to tell me that Islam in fact ISN'T primitive, sexist and barbaric? And outline exactly how you arrived at that stance?
Nope, you're not.
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How about you tell us which book did you read about Islam, or wait did you see it on Tv?Actually had quite a bit of interaction with the local Islamic community following a horrific tragedy that you probably heard about.
Are you going to tell me that Islam in fact ISN'T primitive, sexist and barbaric? And outline exactly how you arrived at that stance?
Nope, you're not.
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sure. I think that it's easy to understand the religious texts of Islam in a way that's not calling for the literal murder and subjugation of all non-believers. In fact, I think it's a corruption of the faith to interpret the religious texts in suck a way.
@Atto would never fight with meSahih al-Bukhari 2926 - Fighting for the Cause of Allah (Jihaad) - كتاب الجهاد والسير - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)
Hadith of the Prophet Muhammad (saws) in English and Arabicsunnah.com
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
Interpret that in a way that is not vile and barbaric.
Or tell me that Sahih al-Bukhari is not real Islam.
Or tell me that the source I linked to is un-Islamic.
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