I read a transcript of that in another thread
Hadn't watched the video other than the first 10 seconds and she is quite annoying
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Anybody a lawyer and can tell about how change of venue would affect this. Trials are moved all the time. This feels like sovereign citizen armchair lawyering that likely has an easy administrative out.You want to murder someone and get away with it? Take them to the Death Zone in Yellowstone.
If you haven't heard of it, it's one of the greatest legal loopholes ever. I'll try to lay it out in a way that makes sense.
Basically:
* Yellowstone National Park - in its entirety - falls under the jurisdiction of the District of Wyoming. If you commit a crime in Yellowstone, you'll normally be tried in Cheyenne.
* But the park's boundaries extend (slightly) into Idaho and Montana. The Idaho section is about fifty square miles. That fifty square miles is the Zone of Death.
* The federal government has exclusive jurisdiction over all national parks, so (apparently) crimes committed in a national park must be prosecuted under federal laws, not state laws.
* The Constitution (which overrides ALL other law or lawmakers, ALWAYS -@JakePaulsBeard) decrees that juries for federal criminal cases (like murder in a national park) must be made up of citizens from the state and the district where the crime was committed.
* That's impossible in the Zone of Death. Since it's in Idaho and Yellowstone is administered by Wyoming, neither Idaho nor Wyoming has legal standing to host a trial for a crime committed in the Idaho section of Yellowstone.
* Furthermore, the Constitutional requirement for a jury to be comprised of residents who are from both the state and the district that the crime occurred in, runs into a big problem here. According to the US Census, there is nobody living in the Idaho district inside Yellowstone National Park. Can't form a jury if you don't have 12 locals.
* Therefore, a jury cannot be seated for a federal trial for a crime that took place inside the Zone of Death.
* The Constitution mandates the right to a jury trial for any federal charge. If a jury of their peers cannot be assembled, then a defendant cannot be punished. Not even the President can override the Constitution, the only thing that can overrule it is a full-fledged Amendment.
This loophole has been known about for years, but it's never been put to the test with a serious crime. But, it's out there. Do what you will with that knowledge.
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Attorneys for the Petito family released a statement saying that Laundrie was not “missing.”
“All of Gabby’s family want the world to know that Brian is not missing, he is hiding. Gabby is missing,” the statement from the law office of Richard B. Stafford said.
They ain't wrong.
“All of Gabby’s family want the world to know that Brian is not missing, he is hiding. Gabby is missing,” the statement from the law office of Richard B. Stafford said.
They ain't wrong.
I first heard about it through a law professor that's been trying to get it addressed before someone tries it out.
Your intuitions are correct. There have been a few articles in the last couple days debunking this. The state can always compel a change of venue, especially in murder cases.
No, murder isn’t legal in part of Yellowstone National Park
If you believe social media users, there is one area of Yellowstone National Park that you should avoid at all costs whe
Here's the bio of the guy who's been sounded the alarm about this for like 15 years @Splinty :
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The Petito family has a right to be upset, furious even, but these protesters stepping onto private property really grinds my gears
View: https://youtu.be/31n7Ub3Z5N0
View: https://youtu.be/31n7Ub3Z5N0
"We think your guilty"
"Prove your innocense!"
So these protestors don't understand how the legal system or spelling work. Nice.
"Prove your innocense!"
So these protestors don't understand how the legal system or spelling work. Nice.
Thank the Founding Fathers that the burden of proof rests on the State.
Pretty sure they borrowed that from the Brits.
Some of the best snowboarding is there. You ever go?
It's probably borrowed from elsewhere too.
It's a good principle, and logical.
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It’s called taking the trainYou want to murder someone and get away with it? Take them to the Death Zone in Yellowstone.
If you haven't heard of it, it's one of the greatest legal loopholes ever. I'll try to lay it out in a way that makes sense.
Basically:
* Yellowstone National Park - in its entirety - falls under the jurisdiction of the District of Wyoming. If you commit a crime in Yellowstone, you'll normally be tried in Cheyenne.
* But the park's boundaries extend (slightly) into Idaho and Montana. The Idaho section is about fifty square miles. That fifty square miles is the Zone of Death.
* The federal government has exclusive jurisdiction over all national parks, so (apparently) crimes committed in a national park must be prosecuted under federal laws, not state laws.
* The Constitution (which overrides ALL other law or lawmakers, ALWAYS -
* That's impossible in the Zone of Death. Since it's in Idaho and Yellowstone is administered by Wyoming, neither Idaho nor Wyoming has legal standing to host a trial for a crime committed in the Idaho section of Yellowstone.
* Furthermore, the Constitutional requirement for a jury to be comprised of residents who are from both the state and the district that the crime occurred in, runs into a big problem here. According to the US Census, there is nobody living in the Idaho district inside Yellowstone National Park. Can't form a jury if you don't have 12 locals.
* Therefore, a jury cannot be seated for a federal trial for a crime that took place inside the Zone of Death.
* The Constitution mandates the right to a jury trial for any federal charge. If a jury of their peers cannot be assembled, then a defendant cannot be punished. Not even the President can override the Constitution, the only thing that can overrule it is a full-fledged Amendment.
This loophole has been known about for years, but it's never been put to the test with a serious crime. But, it's out there. Do what you will with that knowledge.
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The long black train, imo.
That girls boyfriend looks like a very assertive person and 100% wears the pants in that relationship
Poor guy
Yes and tore my ACL. Snow beta.
bummer, hope it healed up nicely
Went there a few times in my 20s and it was pretty cool, spent 6 weeks
Thought about moving there a few years back but home prices are insanity
I watch the full hour of that video. She’s loaded up on antidepressants amd maybe some other meds. She was acting very strangely, almost like she was drunk or combined those antis with some other drugs
he seemed a little strange at first but settled down and built up a hell of a rapport with that many officers quickly
I remember the one driving him to his hotelwas talking about how “man, if you go that way you’re going to hit a stretch where there’s nothing for a couple hundred miles” which caught my attention but who knows
she has some emotional shit going on but I can’t tell what might have happened as now I have to put work in the rest of the night, tomorrow, the next night to draw a conclusion after understanding everything else before and after to give my take on it.
he seemed a little strange at first but settled down and built up a hell of a rapport with that many officers quickly
I remember the one driving him to his hotelwas talking about how “man, if you go that way you’re going to hit a stretch where there’s nothing for a couple hundred miles” which caught my attention but who knows
she has some emotional shit going on but I can’t tell what might have happened as now I have to put work in the rest of the night, tomorrow, the next night to draw a conclusion after understanding everything else before and after to give my take on it.
I view it as an amusing piece of trivia, not as something that is ironclad and completely impervious to any official challenge.
Having said that, it does seem like a difficult legal question. Would be interesting to see the legal shitfight if it was ever put to the test.
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How did this not only gain national attention but it's worthy of a media blitz?
If a cop isn't wearing his hat, he can't arrest you.
I think it's because they were pseudo-successful influencers catching the "van life" trend. There's still a part of me that believes this is all a tiktok challenge and that would objectively be better than a dead girl and a homicidal guy out there.