General Russia Ukraine round 2 Price hike boogaloo

[BeardOfKnowledge]

They aren't pleasant for the Russian populace, but it's their government that invaded.

Are you the reincarnation of Neville Chamberlain? Your appeasement policy towards an aggressive Russia would have been about as successful at creating the "Peace of our time" methinks.

I'm willing to do everything conceivable to avoid war, particularly when we know that our governments knew exactly what they were doing while meddling on eastern Europe. If you want to insult me for that, so be it.

You are right about starvation not being "pleasant". So you've got me there.

I'll take this opportunity to point out that I am willing to concede a point in an argument (I conceded that although Russia would have the food to feed it's people, they might struggle to afford it, and Putin wouldn't give two shits if they starved).

All you need to do here is make the next logical step and you'll see the problem you're creating.

Your pattern of posting on TMMAC indicates that you are unwilling to do so.

Lol. K.

 

[Qat]

What was there to negotiate? Putin claims to not want Ukraine admitted to NATO. NATO has on their website they're planning to bring them in.

So what are we even arguing about here?

 

[MMAHAWK]

So what are we even arguing about here?

So it went like this?
World- what would you like Vlad?
Vlad- No Ukraine in Nato
World- fuck off
Vlad- ok I’m leaving
World- he won’t negotiate

 

[NotBanjaxo]

I'm willing to do everything conceivable to avoid war

If that includes allowing colonisation of another country by a hostile force, then trying to appease the aggressor, then you have absolutely nailed the Neville Chamberlain role.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

So what are we even arguing about here?

You had said they tried to negotiate with Putin in good faith and they were rebuffed unless I misunderstood.

 

[Qat]

So did he arrive to negotiate and then refuse or did he turn down an offer? I legit don’t know and would be curious what Russia was offered.

Western leaders came to kiss his feet asking what they can do to avert a war, Putin said nothing, it's just an exercise and sent em all home after some nice pictures for him.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

If that includes allowing colonisation of another country by a hostile force, then trying to appease the aggressor, then you have absolutely nailed the Neville Chamberlain role.

They had a referendum. It's not up to me to tell another place what country they have to be a part of. If Ukraine won't let them leave and a war starts as a result that's not our business.

Hitler also didn't have nukes.

 

[Qat]

So it went like this?
World- what would you like Vlad?
Vlad- No Ukraine in Nato
World- fuck off
Vlad- ok I’m leaving
World- he won’t negotiate

Na the whole nato thing is years in the making. At that point he already made his decision and didn't negotiate.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Na the whole nato thing is years in the making. At that point he already made his decision and didn't negotiate.

According to NATO they had too.

 

[Qat]

According to NATO they had too.

Hm?

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Hm?

NATO throughout this whole thing has stood by their policy that "NATO is an open door".

 

[Qat]

NATO throughout this whole thing has stood by their policy that "NATO is an open door".

Sure, but we know now that he wanted much more

 

[member 1013]

Sound like you need to visit the holocaust museum bud.

Yad Vashem would break u

 

[member 1013]

I concede the point, I was thinking solely of supply. Surely the benevolent leader of Russia wouldn't let his populace starve though? There's no precedent for that happening there. /s

The only ways that the war will end with Ukraine not being subjugated by Russia are defeat / collapse of the Russian military, or from internal pressure within Russia (or a combination of partial military collapse and internal rumblings).

It's a shitty situation for civilians in both countries, but Russia is the aggressor and Ukranians are suffering far far worse right now.

I was about to eviscerate u

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Sure, but we know now that he wanted much more

He wanted no NATO, Donbas and Crimea, and Ukraine to demilitarize. Obviously the last one isn't going to be happening under any circumstances.

 

[La Paix]

Yad Vashem would break u

Some people need that.

 

[Qat]

Yad Vashem would break u

I was about to eviscerate u

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

@Lars just woke up.

 

[member 1013]

I just drove home from Toronto and my leg is killing me. The up and down on the pedal fucks me up.

 

[Qat]

He wanted no NATO, Donbas and Crimea, and Ukraine to demilitarize. Obviously the last one isn't going to be happening under any circumstances.

And a puppet regime, and certain people eliminated.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

And a puppet regime, and certain people eliminated.

Well, he can't have that. But we both know he wasn't going to be given any of those demands.

 

[Qat]

Well, he can't have that. But we both know he wasn't going to be given any of those demands.

True, but he thought he can reach em by force, so he wasn't interested in negotiating with anyone.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

True, but he thought he can reach em by force, so he wasn't interested in negotiating with anyone.

I don't think we have any reason to believe the invasion would have occurred if his demands were met. It's dishonest to frame Putin as the only party negotiating in bad faith, however I acknowledge some of his demands should not have been met.

 

[member 1013]

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[member 1013]

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