this thread started with lighting
back to lightening again
Great discussion floks
keep up the good work?
back to lightening again
Great discussion floks
keep up the good work?
General 14 students, 1 teacher dead following mass school shooting in Texas
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You’re the flok!!
Can you give me a coles notes summary?
that's what we should have instead of a standing army, a well-regulated militia modeled after a nation like Switzerland..
Firearms regulation in Switzerland - Wikipedia
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Permits based on weapon type...
Buying guns[edit]
In order to purchase most weapons, the purchaser must obtain a weapon acquisition permit (art. 8 WG/LArm). Swiss citizens and foreigners with a C permit over the age of 18 who are not under a curator nor identified as being a danger for themselves or others, and who do not have a criminal record with a conviction for a violent crime or of several convictions as long as they haven't been written out can request such a permit. Foreign nationals who do not have a settlement permit but who are resident in Switzerland must present the competent cantonal authority with an official attestation from their home country confirming they are authorised to acquire the weapon or essential weapon component in that country in order to buy (art. 9a WG/LArm). Foreigners with citizenship to the following countries are explicitly excluded from the right to buy, sell and own weapons and their parts unless they ask for an exceptional authorization to the state: Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo, North Macedonia, Turkey, Sri Lanka, Algeria and Albania.[note 1] The following information must be provided to the cantonal weapon bureau together with the weapon application form:
For each transfer of a weapon or an essential weapon component without weapons acquisition permit (art. 10 WG/LArm), a written contract must be concluded. Each Party shall keep them at least ten years. The contract must include the following information (art. 11 WG/LArm):
- valid official identification or passport copy.
- residence address.
- criminal record copy not older than three months.
This information must be sent within 30 days to the cantonal weapon registration bureau, where the weapon holders are registered, though CO2 and airsoft guns are not concerned by this (art. 11 WGLArm)
- Family name, first name, birth date, residence address and signature of the person who sells the weapon or essential weapon component.
- Family name, first name, birth date, residence address and signature of the person who purchases the weapon or an essential weapon component.
- Kind of weapon, manufacturer or producer, label, caliber, weapon number, and date and place of transfer.
- Type and number of the official identification of the person who acquires the weapon or the essential weapon component.
- and an indication of the processing of personal data in connection with the contract in accordance with the privacy policy of the Federation or the cantons, if firearms are transmitted.
Categories[edit]
No acquisition permit needed[edit]
The following weapons can be acquired without acquisition permits (art. 10 WG/LArm):
Shall-issue acquisition permit[edit]
- Single-shot and multi-barreled hunting rifles and replicas of single-shot muzzle loaders.
- Hand bolt-action rifles, which are commonly used in off-duty and sporting gunnery recognized by the military law of 3 February 1952 and shooting clubs for hunting purposes in Switzerland.
- Single-shot rabbit slayer.
- Compressed air and CO2 weapons that develop a muzzle energy of at least 7.5 joules, or whose appearance may be mistaken for real firearms.
The following weapons can be acquired with a shall-issue acquisition permit (art. 8 WG/LArm):
May-issue exceptional acquisition permit[edit]
- the following semi-automatic centrefire weapons:
- Handguns equipped with a low-capacity loading device (20 or less)
- Small firearms equipped with a low-capacity loading device (10 or less)
- Revolvers
- Lever-action rifles
- Pump-action rifles
- Foreign service bolt-action rifles that are not authorized for shooting outside of service
- Self-loading shotgun with a capacity of 10 or less
The following weapons can only be acquired with a may-issue acquisition permit that can be issued for professional requirements, in particular with regard to carrying out protection duties, such as protecting persons, critical infrastructure or the transport of valuables; target shooting by shooting clubs; collecting; National defence requirements; Educational, cultural, research or historical purposes (art. 28c WG/LArm):
Shall-issue exceptional acquisition permit for sport shooters[edit]
- Automatic firearms and military launching devices for ammunition, for projectiles or for missiles that have an explosive effect, and their essential or specially designed components.
- Automatic firearms modified to semi-automatic firearms, and their essential components; the foregoing does not apply to Swiss army firearms the ownership of which is acquired by the holder directly from the military authorities, and to components essential for maintaining the functionality of such weapons
- the following semi-automatic centrefire weapons:
- Handguns equipped with a high-capacity loading device (21 or more)
- Small firearms equipped with a high-capacity loading device (11 or more)
- Semi-automatic small firearms that may be shortened by means of a folding or telescopic shaft or without auxiliary means to a length of less than 60 cm, without losing any functionality
- Firearms that resemble an article of everyday use and their essential components;
- Grenade launchers in accordance with Article 4 paragraph 2 letter c
The following weapons from the generally prohibited category can be bought with a shall-issue exceptional permit for sport shooter; proof of regular use or membership of a club needs to be provided after 5 and 10 years. This verification is to be done only for the first weapon purchased with that kind of permit (art. 28d WG/LArm & art. 13c WV/OArm):
May-issue exceptional acquisition permit for collectors[edit]
- Automatic firearms modified to semi-automatic firearms, and their essential components; the foregoing does not apply to Swiss army firearms the ownership of which is acquired by the holder directly from the military authorities, and to components essential for maintaining the functionality of such weapons
- the following semi-automatic centrefire weapons:
- Handguns equipped with a high-capacity loading device (21 or more)
- Small firearms equipped with a high-capacity loading device (11 or more)
The following weapons from the generally prohibited category can be bought with a may-issue exceptional permit for collectors with proof that they are kept in a safe place and protected from access by unauthorised third persons (art. 28e WG/LArm):
May-issue exceptional acquisition permit for weapons other than firearms and their accessories[edit]
- Automatic firearms and military launching devices for ammunition, for projectiles or for missiles that have an explosive effect, and their essential or specially designed components.
- Automatic firearms modified to semi-automatic firearms, and their essential components; the foregoing does not apply to Swiss army firearms the ownership of which is acquired by the holder directly from the military authorities, and to components essential for maintaining the functionality of such weapons
- the following semi-automatic centrefire weapons:
- Handguns equipped with a high-capacity loading device (21 or more)
- Small firearms equipped with a high-capacity loading device (11 or more)
- Semi-automatic small firearms that may be shortened by means of a folding or telescopic shaft or without auxiliary means to a length of less than 60 cm, without losing any functionality
The following weapons can be bought with a regular may-issue exceptional acquisition permit for professional requirements, use for industrial purposes, compensating for physical handicaps, or collecting (art. 28b WG/LArm):
- Knives and daggers in accordance with Article 4 paragraph 1 letter c;
- Striking and throwing devices in accordance with Article 4 paragraph 1 letter d, with the exception of batons;
- Electrical shock devices in accordance with Article 4 paragraph 1 letter e;
- Weapon accessories in accordance with Article 4 paragraph 2.
Carrying a gun publicly requires permitting and training and is very selective
Carrying guns[edit]
To carry a firearm in public or outdoors (and for a militia member to carry a firearm other than his issued weapons while off-duty), a person must have a gun carrying permit (German: Waffentragbewilligung, French: permis de port d'armes, Italian: permesso di porto di armi; art. 27 WG/LArm), which in most cases is issued only to private citizens working in occupations such as security.[7] It is, however, quite common to see a person in military service or a sport shooter to be en route with his rifle, albeit unloaded. The issue of such exceptional permits are extremely selective (see #Conditions_for_obtaining_a_Carrying_Permit).
However, it is permissible to carry firearms in public or outdoors if the holder (art. 27 § 4 WG/LArm):
Furthermore, any licensed holder of a gun may transport an unloaded firearm for special situations (see #Transporting guns).
- Has a valid hunting license and is carrying the firearm for hunting.
- Is participating in a demonstration and is carrying the firearm in reference to a historical event.
- Is participating in a shooting competition for air-soft guns, provided that the competition has a secure perimeter.
- Is an airport security officer for an authorized country, a border patrol officer, or a game warden, who is carrying the firearm in the course of their employment.
Conditions for obtaining a Carrying Permit[edit]
There are three conditions (art. 27 § 2 WG/LArm):
The carrying permit remains valid for a term of five years (unless otherwise surrendered or revoked), and applies only to the type of firearm for which the permit was issued. Additional constraints may be invoked to modify any specific permit. (art. 27 § 3 WG/LArm).
- fulfilling the conditions for a buying permit (see section above).
- stating plausibly the need to carry firearms to protect oneself, other people, or real property from a specified danger.
- passing an examination proving both weapon handling skills and knowledge regarding lawful use of the weapon.
However, a person who wants to renew his or her firearms license does not need to retake the practical test if the test was passed less than three years ago. They do not need to retake the theory test on the same condition, provided that the legal provisions have not been significantly changed and that there is no doubt that they have sufficient knowledge of the legal conditions for using a weapon. (art. 48 § 4 WV/OArm)
Anyone over the age of 18 should be able to purchase any weapon available to the militia at Wal-Mart.
sorry if there's no pwnage for you here.
So again, what is the DEFINITION of a well regulated militia?
i didn't use an article, I just looked up number and did math.
lightning strikes don't just happen at school.
does it make you feel better if we compare mass school shootings to drownings or kids hit by cars in parking lots?
you can try to contort statistics, but the severity doesn't correlate with the scope.
did you look at the Swiss system? It's a group of citizens trained in the common defense and armed appropriately.
So nothing near what America has?
Isn’t that part of the expectations and right to bear arms?
You’re the one that chose lightning. If you want to compare kids hit by cars in the school parking lot then let’s do it. And let’s consider the fatality rate of those, please.
If you want to compare drownings everywhere then you should use kids killed by any gun anywhere. Or just use drownings at school or maybe drownings where a lifeguard is on duty.
Again, you’re comparisons suck ass.
It’s a diversion to allow you to feel good about doing nothing.
Don't forget
@Filthy chose "being present at a mass shooting".So if 50 kids get killed and 500 injured, he still counts it at 1.
If 2 kids get killed it'll prolly count as 0, coz no mass.
Its a bullcrap comparison and he knows it.
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I was listening to this American life and they were interviewing this couple whose daughter was killed in Aurora. They're retired and now they go to the school shootings to let families know what's coming. Media circus, this cycle of grief and loneliness, and online conspiracy idiots that will claim their children aren't even dead etc. It was very interesting to listen to but particularly it highlights how much it affects everybody well beyond those who died.
www.thisamericanlife.org
The Parents Step In - This American Life
The government isn’t doing much to prevent school shootings. So parents are jumping in — and getting results.
www.thisamericanlife.org
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4 in 10 Republicans think mass shootings are 'unfortunately something we have to accept as part of a free society': CBS/YouGov poll
In the CBS/YouGov poll, 44% of Republicans said mass shootings are "unfortunately something we have to accept as part of a free society."
www.insider.com
This is really just acceptance to do nothing. We can't even talk possible solutions until we overcome this thinking.
Somebody make that clown meme with the last box that says, "you're not free without routine mass shootings"
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4 in 10 Republicans think mass shootings are 'unfortunately something we have to accept as part of a free society': CBS/YouGov poll
In the CBS/YouGov poll, 44% of Republicans said mass shootings are "unfortunately something we have to accept as part of a free society."
www.insider.com
This is really just acceptance to do nothing. We can't even talk possible solutions until we overcome this thinking.
Somebody make that clown meme with the last box that says, "you're not free without regular mass shootings"
yeah, this sucks. i used to think the problem was establishment politicians on both sides of the aisle. and they are a huge problem. but so are the americans themselves
4 in 10 Republicans think mass shootings are 'unfortunately something we have to accept as part of a free society': CBS/YouGov poll
In the CBS/YouGov poll, 44% of Republicans said mass shootings are "unfortunately something we have to accept as part of a free society."
This is really just acceptance to do nothing. We can't even talk possible solutions until we overcome this thinking.
Somebody make that clown meme with the last box that says, "you're not free without regular mass shootings"
- many democrat voters like my mother are ignorant to the way the system works, so they ignorantly believe corrupt dems are "good people"
- many republican voters have disgusting views on things, and support the disgusting stances of their politicians
so when i say fuck america, i am no longer talking about the politicians. i am talking about the people
Matthew McConaughey: There's a difference between gun control and gun responsibility
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Matthew McConaughey: There's a difference between gun control and gun responsibility
I'm from Uvalde, Texas. The debate about gun control has delivered nothing but status quo.
Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.
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Murphy rules out assault weapons ban, new background checks in Senate plan
Among the proposals on the table are investments in mental health care and school safety and “modest but impactful” changes in gun laws, said Sen. Chris Murphy.
Background checks are a good idea. Good enough to strengthen the background check system. But we won't make sure that each transfer has to have one, so lol you can just circumvent it anytime.
Ridiculous. This is perhaps the easiest of all things politically
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He's a communist. All they do is throw out babies
To be fair... If I had just taken a bath and suddenly found a random ass baby in the water I'm chucking that fucker out as fast as possible.
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thats what i used to think. but many of the babies are racist, prejudiced, etc. they ARE the problem imo
edit: case in point, look at those dudes in the picture above. they are the problem. fuck sad, little bastids like them