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Rambo John J

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vaccinations don't mitigate the risk of break-out variants. Done half-assedly, they might reasonably make the risk much worse.
Yes
exactly why some feel rushing into a mass vaccination is dangerous
 

Filthy

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it's a cost-benefit thing. Cost of masks is nothing. Benefit is controlling mitigating risk of lethal or infectious variant.
Once we're at a herd immunity level, the mask benefit is moot.
 

Filthy

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better question: why does anyone care if someone wears a mask?

how does it affect you?
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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no. that room is vaccinated. That's not the same as knowing we're immune.

we're back to talking about breakout variants until we're at herd immunity.
The people in that room are beyond the capacity of herd immunity.

Cost of masks is nothing. Benefit is controlling mitigating risk of lethal or infectious variant.
That's not true. Undermining public confidence has a great cost. The odds of those 10 vaccinated people harboring some super strain are virtually nil. In this case the cost greatly outweighs the benefit. Masks at one point in time, were low cost. Depending on the situation, they still are, but masks were never no cost.
 

Rambo John J

Eats things that would make a Billy Goat Puke
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how do you know? are you relying on a PCR result with a cycle count of 40?

that's not a measure of developing immunity.
If it behaves as we are led to believe it behaves I was exposed repeatedly
I won't get into details again, wasn't a fun time
 

Filthy

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If it behaves as we are led to believe it behaves I was exposed repeatedly
I won't get into details again, wasn't a fun time
i don't mean that to be personal, just pointing out that WE don't really have a way of knowing how many of us have adequate natural immunity.
 

Filthy

Iowa Wrestling Champion
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The people in that room are beyond the capacity of herd immunity.



That's not true. Undermining public confidence has a great cost. The odds of those 10 vaccinated people harboring some super strain are virtually nil. In this case the cost greatly outweighs the benefit. Masks at one point in time, were low cost. Depending on the situation, they still are, but masks were never no cost.

how does wearing a mask undermine public confidence?
 

Rambo John J

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i don't mean that to be personal, just pointing out that WE don't really have a way of knowing how many of us have adequate natural immunity.
No WE don't
I just know I was in super close contact with people that were actually symptomatic and "tested"

If it is that contagious, then it was in me


Or maybe they just had a cold/flu and the test is bogus...your choice
 

BeardOfKnowledge

The Most Consistent Motherfucker You Know
Jul 22, 2015
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how does wearing a mask undermine public confidence?
It creates the appearance that vaccination is in fact not the path to normalcy that the public has been promised. It's kind of funny that you're looking at the TSA line and instead of saying "Wow, this is a waste of time." you're trying to explain to people how dangerous water bottles and shoes really are.