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ConorMcGregorsBeard

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Saloth Sar

Let's take a little trip to the countryside
Dec 1, 2015
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About to board an airplane

Crazy to see the airport is a ghost town on a Friday afternoon.
Also masks are required but apparently you don’t spread the virus if you take off the mask for 30 minutes to eat a bag of chips.
Another thing I noticed was that the pilots weren’t wearing face coverings in the cockpit
We have a full mask order - you are not allowed to leave your house without a mask...except if you are jogging. So you can't go fishing in the middle of nowhere without a mask, but you can huff and puff all over everyone in a crowded park on a Saturday or even just run through thousands of workers in the city during rush hour.

Who knew that A) There is a jogging lobby and B) That it is powerful enough to be the one organisation capable of defying a total mask ban and undermining the whole thing.

But welcome to 2020 in Melbourne, where quarantine facilities are actually reverse-quarantine facilities seemingly designed to spread coronavirus throughout the community as efficiently as possible and joggers control government.
 

ShatsBassoon

Reigning Defending Monsters Champion
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We have a full mask order - you are not allowed to leave your house without a mask...except if you are jogging. So you can't go fishing in the middle of nowhere without a mask, but you can huff and puff all over everyone in a crowded park on a Saturday or even just run through thousands of workers in the city during rush hour.

Who knew that A) There is a jogging lobby and B) That it is powerful enough to be the one organisation capable of defying a total mask ban and undermining the whole thing.

But welcome to 2020 in Melbourne, where quarantine facilities are actually reverse-quarantine facilities seemingly designed to spread coronavirus throughout the community as efficiently as possible and joggers control government.
Sounds super gay
 

Qat

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Nov 3, 2015
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I think there is a rule against doxxing here......

And he's right.
I don't think that's him.

And it was supposed to be a slow dox. Every 5 years or so I'd ask about a different Houston doc, trying to narrow it down.
But seeing as he ignored the first one already, that plan crashed and burned, haha.
 

Splinty

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Dec 31, 2014
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A fine plan...


Namaste
would a "50% lockdown" drop cases? If so, would it do it with less harm than a "90% lockdown"?

Also prohibiting interstate travel is a really arbitrary limiter if we are just talking science.
 

ThatOneDude

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Jan 14, 2015
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A fine plan...


Namaste
What a horrible source to use to make any point.....

 

Splinty

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Dec 31, 2014
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Because who needs food and hospitals, amirite?
I think grocery and hospital is the 10% he's excluding.
I just wonder about different models. He's demeaning the previous lockdown that was sufficient to drop cases. I'm sure the more severe the lockdown the faster the cases drop...but at what trade off?

The April lock down was not that hard to manage from a policy standpoint and could have been done better with some federal level direction and prep on the entry and exit. If we did the same, I suspect we'd see cases drop.
The free hotel idea is an interesting one as it solves something you and I have talked about with individuals getting their family sick. "quarantining" at home is a great way to get 4-5 others sick and others 4-5 others often don't quarantine with the exposure, making it pretty worthless.
 

ConorMcGregorsBeard

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I think grocery and hospital is the 10% he's excluding.
6. Instead of 50% lockdown (which is what we did in March in April), let’s say it’s a 90% lockdown.

Meaning most of the Americans who couldn’t stay home in April because they were picking crops or driving trucks or working in health care would stay home with us.
The April lock down was not that hard to manage from a policy standpoint and could have been done better with some federal level direction and prep on the entry and exit. If we did the same, I suspect we'd see cases drop.
The free hotel idea is an interesting one as it solves something you and I have talked about with individuals getting their family sick. "quarantining" at home is a great way to get 4-5 others sick and others 4-5 others often don't quarantine with the exposure, making it pretty worthless.
I like a lot of what he's saying, but step 6 might be the dumbest idea I've heard yet.
 

ConorMcGregorsBeard

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Jul 22, 2015
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Auntie Sea Biscuit laughs through her bridle at people who say it can't be done.

They didn't lockdown healthcare workers. They closed the border early like everyone else should have, but were too afraid of hurting Chi-nah's feelings. They also had the political advantage of getting the virus after seeing what did and didn't work in other countries which armchair quarterbacks like to ignore. They're also likely not nearly as far out of the woods as people like to beleive, but time will tell on that.
 

Splinty

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I like a lot of what he's saying, but step 6 might be the dumbest idea I've heard yet.

It's actually the 50 to 90% change that is my sticking point as well.
I don't know anything about crops or who all goes into getting us food. But there were already shortages that were self-made going into the last one. If you did it again you need to actually up your supply because people have shown that they will hoard the entire lockdown ...and why wouldn't they if you don't create some level of confidence that there will be supplies.

In healthcare there is a significant amount of stuff we do that can be delayed 90 days. We did that throughout the spring. Before during and after lockdown deferred a lot of stuff. And now I'm busier than I normally am in the summer. Catching up all that stuff that still needs to be done.
I'm not sure which healthcare workers he thought kept working that could have gone home during the last lockdown. We sent a lot of people home that are related to elective procedures and things like that. And unlike the last lockdown that was preventative, this lockdown would require a significant number of healthcare workers because we have a high number of cases. you couldn't drop less healthcare workers than you already did before.
 

Saloth Sar

Let's take a little trip to the countryside
Dec 1, 2015
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They didn't lockdown healthcare workers. They closed the border early like everyone else should have, but were too afraid of hurting Chi-nah's feelings. They also had the political advantage of getting the virus after seeing what did and didn't work in other countries which armchair quarterbacks like to ignore. They're also likely not nearly as far out of the woods as people like to beleive, but time will tell on that.
I didn't even actually read what the guy said. I just thought of the Sea Biscuit bridle comment and wanted to use it.
 

Splinty

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They also had the political advantage of getting the virus after seeing what did and didn't work in other countries which armchair quarterbacks like to ignore

A small island population with few fixed entry points that had foresight was able to better control the outbreak of a virus than large land connected countries? I can't believe it. It must be socialism.
 

ConorMcGregorsBeard

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Jul 22, 2015
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It's actually the 50 to 90% change that is my sticking point as well.
I don't know anything about crops or who all goes into getting us food. But there were already shortages that were self-made going into the last one. If you did it again you need to actually up your supply because people have shown that they will hoard the entire lockdown ...and why wouldn't they if you don't create some level of confidence that there will be supplies.

In healthcare there is a significant amount of stuff we do that can be delayed 90 days. We did that throughout the spring. Before during and after lockdown deferred a lot of stuff. And now I'm busier than I normally am in the summer. Catching up all that stuff that still needs to be done.
I'm not sure which healthcare workers he thought kept working that could have gone home during the last lockdown. We sent a lot of people home that are related to elective procedures and things like that. And unlike the last lockdown that was preventative, this lockdown would require a significant number of healthcare workers because we have a high number of cases. you couldn't drop less healthcare workers than you already did before.
Well, you see, Doc. This is the kind of person who can stay at home for as long as required. So he doesn't really think about how his suggestions will impact others. He's a pretty prime example of the "If it only saves on life" camp.

A couple weeks ago I was talking to someone whom I told "Yeah, I know some people who haven't worked in months and could be in serious trouble if we don't start to think about firing things back up." at this point this person told me "Well, no one really needs to work." I couldn't believe my ears. For as long as I can remember when gun advocacy groups would say "It's guns today, something else tomorrow." People laughed, but we're seeing it in real time. All the same arguments that prop up gun control being used against people's ability to live normal day-to-day lives.
 

ConorMcGregorsBeard

Stewart Era Liberal
Jul 22, 2015
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A small island population with few fixed entry points that had foresight was able to better control the outbreak of a virus than large land connected countries? I can't believe it. It must be socialism.
To be fair, they didn't have foresight. They had hindsight.