Reporter and cameraman shot dead in Virginia during live broadcast

[Splinty]

We use fax all day every day for our practice. Don't you still have fax machines at your hospital @Splinty? I sorta feel like the medical industry is the only thing keeping that technology alive.

Yes we do because the lawyers require it and won't accept my digital signature often.

Sucks.

But where did this guy get it? Went to Kinko's with his manifesto to kill. And managed to not kill the undoubtedly rude staff at the copy place?

But really it's a risky move. Fax is fast. Someone could have received the fax and called cops.

 

[IschKabibble]

Yes we do because the lawyers require it and won't accept my digital signature often.

Sucks.

But where did this guy get it? Went to Kinko's with his manifesto to kill. And managed to not kill the undoubtedly rude staff at the copy place?

But really it's a risky move. Fax is fast. Someone could have received the fax and called cops.

Our office uses fax over IP through RingCentral, which is a good alternative to traditional phone-based machines. There are quite a few free services out there as well. I'm assuming this guy used something like that.

I think HIPAA is the main reason fax is still preferred in the medical industry. We've had a couple law firms chastise us for sending records via email.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Do you know where shit like this never happens? Sane countries where everybody isn't armed to the teeth.

America has a staggering high gun ownership rate (highest in the world) but they aren't even in the top 10 for % of homicides by firearm, the U.S. actually doesn't lead the world in any gun violence categories. The U.S. doesn't have a gun problem, they have a murder problem.

 

[FeeO]

Someone posted this on twitter and I think it's spot on: "This engine of hate, rage, entitlement that our culture runs on. Maybe we could try to fix that?" The underlying reasoning whyyyyyy so many people here feel so strongly about having guns, what's that about? I mean really, it's not to do with the typical superficial reasonings or arguments for it....something else going on. Something I see in a lot of aspects of our culture here. It IS absolutely a cultural + mental health issue. Anymore, I think 90% of people in this country are certifiably bat shit crazy... I think there's more mental disease/disfunction happening but it's so prevalent that it's now become the norm.

Yeah that's resonant and perceptive. The toxic entitlement behind acts like this, the feeling of being thwarted that explodes in wrath. Like creeps like this feel they've been cheated, somehow, so their actions are not only justified but...noble, like with all the stupid narcissistic manifestoes. Gross. Fuck you assholes, deal with your traumas and pain and aggression like the rest of us do. Lift weights to Slayer. Watch fighting. Take up fighting. Hallucinogenics. Whatever it takes, but shooting unarmed people with zero warning? Aren't you ashamed to be such a fucking weakling?

 

[ThatOneDude]

Our office uses fax over IP through RingCentral, which is a good alternative to traditional phone-based machines. There are quite a few free services out there as well. I'm assuming this guy used something like that.

I think HIPAA is the main reason fax is still preferred in the medical industry. We've had a couple law firms chastise us for sending records via email.

Records via email..... Jesus fucking Christ, I hope they were an a minimum encrypted via tls

 

[ThatOneDude]

The underlying reasoning whyyyyyy so many people here feel so strongly about having guns, what's that about? I mean really, it's not to do with the typical superficial reasonings or arguments for it....something else going on. Something I see in a lot of aspects of our culture here. It IS absolutely a cultural + mental health issue. Anymore, I think 90% of people in this country are certifiably bat shit crazy... I think there's more mental disease/disfunction happening but it's so prevalent that it's now become the norm.

I feel strongly about owning guns and never giving mine up is because of lunatics like this, and my ability to protect those I love with my guns.
This is a mental health issue. And it seems the dude was a racist just like the white kid who shot up the church. Fuck these people.

 

[Sweets]

America has a staggering high gun ownership rate (highest in the world) but they aren't even in the top 10 for % of homicides by firearm, the U.S. actually doesn't lead the world in any gun violence categories. The U.S. doesn't have a gun problem, they have a murder problem.

Compared to which countries? The majority of the countries on any list you pull will be third world or developing, It'll be fun to look into who supplies what faction. In the rest of the developed world gun death is way lower for % as you should know up in Canada given you guys have high enough ownership and few enough deaths.

 

[IschKabibble]

But really it's a risky move. Fax is fast. Someone could have received the fax and called cops.

From what I understand, he sent the fax a few hours after the murders.

 

[IschKabibble]

Records via email..... Jesus fucking Christ, I hope they were an a minimum encrypted via tls

Of course. Encrypted in motion and encrypted at rest. Problem is there's no way I can vouch for the recipients' server. Which is why we're stuck using an unreliable, outdated technology.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Compared to which countries? The majority of the countries on any list you pull will be third world or developing, It'll be fun to look into who supplies what faction. In the rest of the developed world gun death is way lower for % as you should know up in Canada given you guys have high enough ownership and few enough deaths.

Compared to all of them. Most are developing, yes, absolutely. When I started looking into it, I was surprised to find out that you're more likely to be murdered with a gun in Italy (66.7%) than you are in America (60%) even though Italy has basically the same gun laws as Canada (32%). Brazil's is 70.8% and they have more restrictive gun laws than any of the 3 previously mentioned. Source: Gun homicides and gun ownership listed by country | News | The Guardian It is worth mentioning that in Canada they implemented stricter laws than they currently have then repealed them when they found that it was a nuisance for law abiding firearms owners, but didn't have any effect on the use of firearms in crime.

Like I said, America certainly has a serious murder problem. They also have a lot of systemic issues (like piss poor social support systems) that enable it to take place because they do nothing to address it. They have the global economy of a developed country, but all the problems of a third world one. Even if you took every firearm away from Americans you'd have the same issue, they'd just be using knives, or whatever else was available. I can promise you, the guy that wrote a 32 page letter about how society screwed him, that he was a powder keg, and how he was taking "inspiration" from other mass murders; wouldn't have said "Oh, man. I don't have a gun, guess I'll play X box instead"

I'd be curious to know, what period of civilization would you take us to where humans weren't killing each other for no reason? It's humans that are the problem, not the tools they use to kill each other. We've found different ones to use since day one, and will continue to do so.

 

[Sweets]

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[Sweets]

Compared to all of them. Most are developing, yes, absolutely. When I started looking into it, I was surprised to find out that you're more likely to be murdered with a gun in Italy (66.7%) than you are in America (60%) even though Italy has basically the same gun laws as Canada (32%). Brazil's is 70.8% and they have more restrictive gun laws than any of the 3 previously mentioned. Source: Gun homicides and gun ownership listed by country | News | The Guardian It is worth mentioning that in Canada they implemented stricter laws than they currently have then repealed them when they found that it was a nuisance for law abiding firearms owners, but didn't have any effect on the use of firearms in crime.

Like I said, America certainly has a serious murder problem. They also have a lot of systemic issues (like piss poor social support systems) that enable it to take place because they do nothing to address it. They have the global economy of a developed country, but all the problems of a third world one. Even if you took every firearm away from Americans you'd have the same issue, they'd just be using knives, or whatever else was available. I can promise you, the guy that wrote a 32 page letter about how society screwed him, that he was a powder keg, and how he was taking "inspiration" from other mass murders; wouldn't have said "Oh, man. I don't have a gun, guess I'll play X box instead"

I'd be curious to know, what period of civilization would you take us to where humans weren't killing each other for no reason? It's humans that are the problem, not the tools they use to kill each other. We've found different ones to use since day one, and will continue to do so.

So Italy which is a developing nation except for the industrial north that cant hold a government and Brazil an American armed developing 'democracy' which has appalling poverty problems which are systemic and is essentially a third world country when you look at wealth inequality; somehow mitigate US gun death figures?

They don't, they just re-enforce the idea that high levels of poverty, high levels wealth disparity and high levels of guns lead to high levels of gun crime.

He can write what he likes the point is there is no comparable 'loner gun rampage' culture in other developed nations and I believe that may have something to do with the lack of easily available guns, call me crazy. Do you think there aren't disaffected loners everywhere? Do you think maybe the reason they act out more in the US may have something to do with the empowering nature of the aforementioned easily available firearms?

There is no period of civilisation where humans haven't killed each other needlessly. Don't be ridiculous and don't try and put words in my mouth either. We are though in a period of human history were the debate on the validity of our previous actions has never been more accessible or powerful. So I'm going to stand up on my hind legs and look for the horizon.

 

[El_Varaco]

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[BeardOfKnowledge]

So Italy which is a developing nation except for the industrial north that cant hold a government and Brazil an American armed developing 'democracy' which has appalling poverty problems which are systemic and is essentially a third world country when you look at wealth inequality; somehow mitigate US gun death figures?

They don't, they just re-enforce the idea that high levels of poverty, high levels wealth disparity and high levels of guns lead to high levels of gun crime.

He can write what he likes the point is there is no comparable 'loner gun rampage' culture in other developed nations and I believe that may have something to do with the lack of easily available guns, call me crazy. Do you think there aren't disaffected loners everywhere? Do you think maybe the reason they act out more in the US may have something to do with the empowering nature of the aforementioned easily available firearms?

There is no period of civilisation where humans haven't killed each other needlessly. Don't be ridiculous and don't try and put words in my mouth either. We are though in a period of human history were the debate on the validity of our previous actions has never been more accessible or powerful. So I'm going to stand up on my hind legs and look for the horizon.

Italy's a developing nation? Alright, I'm going to pass thanks.

 

[ThatOneDude]

Of course. Encrypted in motion and encrypted at rest. Problem is there's no way I can vouch for the recipients' server. Which is why we're stuck using an unreliable, outdated technology.

Do you have a barracuda by any chance?

 

[IschKabibble]

Do you have a barracuda by any chance?

Nope. Not familiar. We run everything in-house on a barebone SuperMicro system.

 

[ThatOneDude]

Nope. Not familiar. We run everything in-house on a barebone SuperMicro system.

Barracuda is a spam appliance for email that sits between the net and your exchange server. Also allows for you to force tls if the receiving server is set up to allow it. In that you can verify that emails are being encrypted one way or both. I work with tonssssss of hospitals and labs around the world and it seems most of our clients use it as well. Might not be a bad idea to look into.

Also a very easy interface to work with and their support is outstanding.

I love supermicro. My main quad cpu vm host is based on a supermicro mobo and case. And my htpc is based on one as well. Because we all know htpc's deserve a Xeon proc.

 

[IschKabibble]

Barracuda is a spam appliance for email that sits between the net and your exchange server. Also allows for you to force tls if the receiving server is set up to allow it. In that you can verify that emails are being encrypted one way or both. I work with tonssssss of hospitals and labs around the world and it seems most of our clients use it as well. Might not be a bad idea to look into.

Seems to be a pretty robust solution for a single practice with only four employees. I'm also not very fond of proprietary, cloud-based systems. My work server is strictly open-source.

 

[IschKabibble]

I've actually been toying with the idea of migrating everything to a VPS. Kinda sick of hosting locally. Those stock SuperMicro fans are stupid loud.

Edit: Kinda of steering way off-topic here. Maybe we can start a server management thread in the Geek Haven.

 

[ThatOneDude]

Seems to be a pretty robust solution for a single practice with only four employees. I'm also not very fond of proprietary, cloud-based systems. My work server is strictly open-source.

It's 100% worth it IMO, especially for a med practice. Also allows do much more than just auto tls. If you ever curious shoot me a pm and I'll set up a lync meeting and show it to you.

 

[ThatOneDude]

I've actually been toying with the idea of migrating everything to a VPS. Kinda sick of hosting locally. Those stock SuperMicro fans are stupid loud.

Yeah they are. You can do what some of our devs did on their home servers, swapped out ALL the fans for noctuas, I've never heard such a quiet server.

We've thought about that for some of our stuff, but right now we are keeping most in house after all the clean up, virtualization, and redundancy I've added. Still don't fully trust our info being out there.

 

[ThatOneDude]

Seems to be a pretty robust solution for a single practice with only four employees. I'm also not very fond of proprietary, cloud-based systems. My work server is strictly open-source.

You ever check out shodan? Great way to really check your security.

 

[ThatOneDude]

 

[Sweets]

Italy's a developing nation? Alright, I'm going to pass thanks.

Read what I fucking said instead of trying to put words in my mouth. Italy has a thing they refer to as the 'north south economic divide', here educate yourself.

Italy's north-south divide in one chart | CityMetric

"To translate that into comparable national economies once again, that means that, while Milan is richer than Sweden, Naples is poorer than the Czech Republic".

That's just one random source among thousands.

So I'll say it again

Italy is a developing country outside of the industrial north.

Educate yourself.

Not that that little lesson has fucking anything to do with the conversation you were dragging me through earlier. Care to check back in an reply to the rest of my post? Or are you happy with your pathetic attempt at condescension?

 

[Splinty]

Read what I fucking said instead of trying to put words in my mouth you squirrelly little bitch.

You must be part Italian!