Society Steve Bannon Loves This "Shockingly Racist" Book

[Zeph]

Is it really fear mongering if the cultural imbalance is tangible?

Yes, not every brown person is an upstanding citizen, pointing to a few instances of criminal, or disgusting, behaviour does not make the refugee crisis an invasion to take over Europe. There are ways to have an intellectual discussion about immigration, whether we can absorb Muslims into our culture, multiculturalism, and the influx that happened during the refugee crisis, without describing it as a book which has a narrative of an invasion of Europe committed by brown people and the correct solution is to kill them all.

Personally, I think Germany went too far and accepted too many people in one go. There should be a limit on immigration from foreign cultures which allows for integration into our common culture. Also that we should do a better job at integrating those that do come, such as mandatory English(UK example) lessons, and other such programs. I don't think portraying them as invaders out to conquer us is productive, and I don't think the answer is killing them all.

 

[Deleted member 1]

Is it really fear mongering if the cultural imbalance is tangible?

If the book is about the perception of France, a country that is highly protective of its unique and romanticized culture, being lost to a flood of outsiders that don't integrate....Then it would seem the book correctly hits to the core of that anxiety and in many ways the reality.

Does the inflammatory language act to create the sense of worry and frustration the author feels while being silenced for his worries about the home he knows?

I dunno. I haven't read the book but I take most of the Bannon fear with a grain of salt.

 

[IschKabibble]

pointing to a few instances of criminal, or disgusting, behaviour does not make the refugee crisis an invasion to take over Europe.

A few instances? There are some pretty intense culture clashes going on in Europe right now.

11 rioters arrested after hurling rocks at police and TV crew during Swedish school brawl

Media reports claim the rioters were migrants. Swedish SVT reported that the brawl initially broke out between two different immigrant groups, who then started attacking police after they arrived at the scene, as well as reporters from SVT.

There are ways to have an intellectual discussion about immigration, whether we can absorb Muslims into our culture, multiculturalism, and the influx that happened during the refugee crisis, without describing it as a book which has a narrative of an invasion of Europe committed by brown people and the correct solution is to kill them all.

Western culture versus non-Western culture. You're the one who keeps calling them "brown people."

 

[KWingJitsu]

Why would a racist guy Iove a racist book?

 

[Zeph]

A few instances? There are some pretty intense culture clashes going on in Europe right now.

11 rioters arrested after hurling rocks at police and TV crew during Swedish school brawl

Media reports claim the rioters were migrants. Swedish SVT reported that the brawl initially broke out between two different immigrant groups, who then started attacking police after they arrived at the scene, as well as reporters from SVT.






Western culture versus non-Western culture. You're the one who keeps calling them "brown people."

Again civil disorder should be handled by the authorities, and if it should warrant it they should be deported. But pointing to a small number of incidences, compared to the 1million+ refugees that were accepted, does not mean that it's an invasion to take over Europe.

Ok. Western culture versus non-Western culture. Are African-Americans part of Western culture? If they are, what makes them so different from Africans, for example? Are second generation Syrians already in the U.S. part of Western Culture? Are Taco trucks part of Western culture?

 

[IschKabibble]

Again civil disorder should be handled by the authorities, and if it should warrant it they should be deported. But pointing to a small number of incidences, compared to the 1million+ refugees that were accepted, does not mean that it's an invasion to take over Europe.

Color me shocked that a politician used hyperbole to describe the opposition's political stance. But the lengths you've gone to insert your own hyperbole in this thread isn't lost on me.

Ok. Western culture versus non-Western culture. Are African-Americans part of Western culture?

Yes, they are most definitely part of Western culture.

If they are, what makes them so different from Africans, for example?

For example, I've never heard of one instance of necklacing done by an African-American in the United States. I've seen a lot of videos of that shit going down in Africa though.

 

[Zeph]

Color me shocked that a politician used hyperbole to describe the opposition's political stance. But the lengths you've gone to insert your own hyperbole in this thread isn't lost on me.

What?

Yes, they are most definitely part of Western culture.

For example, I've never heard of one instance of necklacing done by an African-American in the United States. I've seen a lot of videos of that shit going down in Africa though.

So what makes it so that Africans are so different from African-Americans that they can't integrate into Western culture?

 

[IschKabibble]

So what makes it so that Africans are so different from African-Americans that they can't integrate into Western culture?

Who said they can't? Did Steve Bannon say that?

 

[Zeph]

Who said they can't? Did Steve Bannon say that?

Is that not what you meant when you said it's Western culture vs non-Western culture?

 

[IschKabibble]

Is that not what you meant when you said it's Western culture vs non-Western culture?

I'm specifically talking about the clash of cultural norms. Anybody can integrate anywhere if they wish.

 

[Zeph]

I'm specifically talking about the clash of cultural norms. Anybody can integrate anywhere if they wish.

Ok, so they can integrate, we both agree on that. Then it's just a matter of numbers and where do we draw the line. But your previous posts seemed to suggest that you believe there is some sort of culture war or invasion going on in Europe, rather than the usual bumps and bruises from integrating a large number of people.

If we look at the United States for past cases of integrating large amounts of immigrants at the same time we see plenty of social upheaval, criminal activity, and broad brush painting of those groups of people - such as Italians being all mafioso, or Irish being all drunks. There have been many immigrant groups that struggled to find their place within the United States that once they have become second or third generation are now considered valuable members of western society, even if they weren't from Western culture, like Koreans or the Japanese, as well.

However, we were talking about Bannon's description of this as an invasion, and an invasion would imply they can't integrate and are trying to take over, yet, we both agree that they can integrate, but there will be problems. Can't you see that his view is toxic?

 

[IschKabibble]

Can't you see that his view is toxic?

He drew a parallel between the migrant crisis of today (clash of cultures) and the migrant crisis in the book (clash of cultures). Why does it have to be racist? And why did you lump the vastly different cultures as referenced in the book as "brown people." Was that hyperbole?

 

[Deleted member 1]

there is some sort of culture war

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rather than the usual bumps and bruises from integrating a large number of people.

Is that not the same thing?
Isn't it just a matter of quantity?

 

[Zeph]

He drew a parallel between the migrant crisis of today (clash of cultures) and the migrant crisis in the book (clash of cultures). Why does it have to be racist?

Because the book is shockingly racist. Comparing it to a book like that is a racist comparison.

And why did you lump the vastly different cultures as referenced in the book as "brown people." Was that hyperbole?

In the book they are Indians, in real life they are Middle Easterners and North Africans, all are brown, for the most part.

 

[IschKabibble]

Because the book is shockingly racist.

Were you personally shocked at how racist the book is? Or are you repeating what Cenk told you in a youtube video?

 

[IschKabibble]

Per Wikipedia's synopsis:

 

[Zeph]

Is that not the same thing?
Isn't it just a matter of quantity?

Perhaps, if the numbers were large enough and the groups were of equivalent strength, but it's not a war currently because there is no hope for the immigrants to win out over our dominant culture. Everyone isn't turning Muslim, but the majority of immigrants are and do become westernised.

The only real area where Europeans assimilate anything is food, although Europeans do tolerate certain aspects of different cultures to coexists, so long as they don't break our laws. The key is to manage immigration and keep it to a level that is manageable, and works for everyone - as a flood of cheap labour does not help the people already here.

Germany have lost that balance under Merkel, it seems, but the answer isn't to call it an invasion and correlate it with a book that suggest the correct solution is to kill them all. I'd be interested in Q @Qat's opinion on this too.

 

[Zeph]

Per Wikipedia's synopsis:

Is a surprise that someone who would write a racist book would hope his grandchildren grow up in a world where they are not ashamed of him for writing it? I hope his grandchildren are deathly ashamed of him for writing that book.

 

[Zeph]

Were you personally shocked at how racist the book is? Or are you repeating what Cenk told you in a youtube video?

That shockingly racist quote is from a review of the book. Given the synopsis of the story, I agree it's shockingly racist. I'm not sure why you are trying to defend the book.

 

[IschKabibble]

Is a surprise that someone who would write a racist book would hope his grandchildren grow up in a world where they are not ashamed of him for writing it? I hope his grandchildren are deathly ashamed of him for writing that book.

It's fiction.

 

[Zeph]

It's fiction.

Fiction can be racist.

 

[IschKabibble]

That shocking racist quote is from a review of the book.

Was it this review?

 

[IschKabibble]

@Zeph, what's wrong with a culture wishing to maintain its identity?

 

[MMAHAWK]

Fiction can be racist.

 

[Zeph]

Was it this review?

Linda Chavez, a Republican commentator who has worked for GOP presidents from Ronald Reagan to George W. Bush but opposed Trump’s election, also reviewed the book back then. Forty years later, she hasn’t forgotten it.

“It is really shockingly racist,” Chavez told The Huffington Post,