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KWingJitsu

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That shockingly racist quote is from a review of the book. Given the synopsis of the story, I agree it's shockingly racist. I'm not sure why you are trying to defend the book.
Shall we hazard a guess?
 

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Okay I just flew over this thread to honour your flagging Zeph @Zeph but its still a weird one.
IschKabibble @IschKabibble it seems to me you are trying to disperse anything that can look bad regarding Bannon/Trump here, fair enough, but at the same time, you are rejecting other people and sources on single issues and with a simple sentence. There is an obvious and cheap bias there.
And I do wonder why you chose to make your stand in a thread about a book like that and a guy like that. Breitbart is a proven turd, what else do you need to know?

I am not knowledgeable enough to talk about the situation in France, other than that they did not actually take in many refugees at all. Switzerland is traditionally rather closed down. There are many there who are opposed to everyone not Swizz, regardless of culture. Even as 'pure' German, French, Italian, Austrian etc., you will not be taken with open arms there. As Americans and with your history, that should be very foreign to you guys.

And again coming with the instances of wrongdoing promoted by your favourite media sources.. I am afraid, they are forming your world the way they want you to see it.
Did Breitbart report on the big story of Berlin in the last couple of weeks? There were hooligans from Frankfurt and Berlin meeting in my district having a huge fight. Did they report on that? No? I suppose not. But let me guess, if even 1/10th of the amount of people had a brawl and all of them were migrants, it would be another big story on Breitbart telling you how our culture is ending, and dear IschKabibble @IschKabibble's world would be corroborated again. I'm sure they searched on that story if there is any angle to pin it on migrants or foreigners, found out they didn't, and then dropped it.
Breitbart has shown to take German news story out of context and make the wrong conclusions. There was actually a news story in Germany about Breitbart doing exactly that, ridiculous! If that is where Trump and Bannon are getting their world explained to them, of course that is potentially very dangerous.

But what can I say, there are stupid Germans too, as everywhere. Couple days ago someone drove with a car into some people in Heidelberg. Of course there were very aggressive idiots on twitter and elsewhere (outside of Germany too, btw) calling for 'the truth' and wanting to know who that person really was, insinuating it was of course a Muslim of some sorts. Turns out it was a full-blooded German, what a letdown! Again, did that make big news on your favourite media outlets, IschKabibble @IschKabibble?
Its really how you want to see the world more than it actually is.
And the most weird thing happened in that I saw a news program on TV where they actually mentioned that he had no migration background. How freaking silly is that? Great new world.

Zeph @Zeph as far as taking in too much and the need for numbers and control etc., I'm pretty sure I said that a couple of times, and really, it is what is happening since a long time. I feel like, people just think our refugee policy is this one thing, which it was for a small amount of days, but it really is another thing for the majority of.. everything.

The big topic right now is Turkey anyway. They imprisoned a Turkish-German journalist on ridiculous charges, and I believe they are now the country with the most journalists in prison or something. And since we have a considerable amount of people in our country who are able to vote on Erdogan's shitshow, they are trying to campaign here too, with many people being against it, others saying its a matter of free speech.. but then again its free speech helping a tyrant etc. etc. Lively discussion, as it should be.
My personal opinion is that they shouldn't campaign here. Its our police taking the risks, our communes providing the space. As a foreign politician, campaign in your country or by other means.
Unless you pay us a lot perhaps. :)

To stay somewhat in topic: Its very telling that Trump likes Erdogan. :D But really weird in some ways too.
 

IschKabibble

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IschKabibble @IschKabibble it seems to me you are trying to disperse anything that can look bad regarding Bannon/Trump here, fair enough, but at the same time, you are rejecting other people and sources on single issues and with a simple sentence. There is an obvious and cheap bias there.
And I do wonder why you chose to make your stand in a thread about a book like that and a guy like that. Breitbart is a proven turd, what else do you need to know?
I'm being perfectly objective in calling out a liberal hit piece when I see one. Did you not catch my example with Obama in the beginning of the thread? You calling me biased in defense of this obviously biased hit piece is laughably hypocritical.

Zeph @Zeph, if you would, because I can't watch a 30 minute Cenk video, timestamp the part where Steven Bannon says he loves this book.

And again coming with the instances of wrongdoing promoted by your favourite media sources.. I am afraid, they are forming your world the way they want you to see it.
I don't read Breitbart. I don't read any news. I catch wind of current events through a handful of discussion forums.

and dear IschKabibble @IschKabibble's world would be corroborated again. I'm sure they searched on that story if there is any angle to pin it on migrants or foreigners, found out they didn't, and then dropped it.
How many more migrant rapes are okay? Because you've been downplaying them for years now as isolated incidents.
 
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Okay I just flew over this thread to honour your flagging Zeph @Zeph but its still a weird one.
IschKabibble @IschKabibble it seems to me you are trying to disperse anything that can look bad regarding Bannon/Trump here, fair enough, but at the same time, you are rejecting other people and sources on single issues and with a simple sentence. There is an obvious and cheap bias there.
And I do wonder why you chose to make your stand in a thread about a book like that and a guy like that. Breitbart is a proven turd, what else do you need to know?

I am not knowledgeable enough to talk about the situation in France, other than that they did not actually take in many refugees at all. Switzerland is traditionally rather closed down. There are many there who are opposed to everyone not Swizz, regardless of culture. Even as 'pure' German, French, Italian, Austrian etc., you will not be taken with open arms there. As Americans and with your history, that should be very foreign to you guys.

And again coming with the instances of wrongdoing promoted by your favourite media sources.. I am afraid, they are forming your world the way they want you to see it.
Did Breitbart report on the big story of Berlin in the last couple of weeks? There were hooligans from Frankfurt and Berlin meeting in my district having a huge fight. Did they report on that? No? I suppose not. But let me guess, if even 1/10th of the amount of people had a brawl and all of them were migrants, it would be another big story on Breitbart telling you how our culture is ending, and dear IschKabibble @IschKabibble's world would be corroborated again. I'm sure they searched on that story if there is any angle to pin it on migrants or foreigners, found out they didn't, and then dropped it.
Breitbart has shown to take German news story out of context and make the wrong conclusions. There was actually a news story in Germany about Breitbart doing exactly that, ridiculous! If that is where Trump and Bannon are getting their world explained to them, of course that is potentially very dangerous.

But what can I say, there are stupid Germans too, as everywhere. Couple days ago someone drove with a car into some people in Heidelberg. Of course there were very aggressive idiots on twitter and elsewhere (outside of Germany too, btw) calling for 'the truth' and wanting to know who that person really was, insinuating it was of course a Muslim of some sorts. Turns out it was a full-blooded German, what a letdown! Again, did that make big news on your favourite media outlets, IschKabibble @IschKabibble?
Its really how you want to see the world more than it actually is.
And the most weird thing happened in that I saw a news program on TV where they actually mentioned that he had no migration background. How freaking silly is that? Great new world.

Zeph @Zeph as far as taking in too much and the need for numbers and control etc., I'm pretty sure I said that a couple of times, and really, it is what is happening since a long time. I feel like, people just think our refugee policy is this one thing, which it was for a small amount of days, but it really is another thing for the majority of.. everything.

The big topic right now is Turkey anyway. They imprisoned a Turkish-German journalist on ridiculous charges, and I believe they are now the country with the most journalists in prison or something. And since we have a considerable amount of people in our country who are able to vote on Erdogan's shitshow, they are trying to campaign here too, with many people being against it, others saying its a matter of free speech.. but then again its free speech helping a tyrant etc. etc. Lively discussion, as it should be.
My personal opinion is that they shouldn't campaign here. Its our police taking the risks, our communes providing the space. As a foreign politician, campaign in your country or by other means.
Unless you pay us a lot perhaps. :)

To stay somewhat in topic: Its very telling that Trump likes Erdogan. :D But really weird in some ways too.

It's good to have you back around.

I know you said you have been busy.
 

Wintermute

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Obama's mentor. The right played Chicken Little with this clip for his entire presidency. And now you're basically doing the same thing.

"He ain't white." He's half-white. "He's ain't rich." He will make $400K base salary for every year as POTUS+ various discretionary funds in the 6-digit range. Also a $200K pension for life. For 8 years' work "He ain't privileged." The President is the definition of privilege, that's why they call elevated status "presidential level.

This is drivel and ranting.
 

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"He ain't white." He's half-white. "He's ain't rich." He will make $400K base salary for every year as POTUS+ various discretionary funds in the 6-digit range. Also a $200K pension for life. For 8 years' work "He ain't privileged." The President is the definition of privilege, that's why they call elevated status "presidential level.

This is drivel and ranting.
It's a really old video from before his first term. Sean Hannity used it for eight years to smear Obama as a racist.
 

Qat

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I'm being perfectly objective in calling out a liberal hit piece when I see one. Did you not catch my example with Obama in the beginning of the thread? You calling me biased in defense of this obviously biased hit piece is laughably hypocritical.
As I said I only flew over the thread, I didn't watch the vid either but I know what the book is about. I read mostly around the post I was flagged in, so that part of the discussion is what I am commenting on. And to me you look less reasonable than usually, that's all.
I did catch you dismissing one guy for his opinion on Turkey-Armenia. Fine, but you are fighting for Trump, who sometimes says and believes the stupidest things, and the Breitbart-dude here. That simply doesn't fit.

I don't read Breitbart. I don't read any news. I catch wind of current events through a handful of discussion forums.
That potentially is an even worse basis to form an opinion than Bannon and Trump then. ;)
Breitbart-dude and Breitbart-fanboy, so even if you don't read it, its still correct to use it in this context.

How many more migrant rapes are okay? Because you've been downplaying them for years now as isolated incidents.
2!

Sorry but that is an extremely dumb question.
Exactly as many as non-migrant rapes, they are never okay. I'm not downplaying anything, I just offer perspective others are severely lacking.
But I suppose they tell you all about that Russian girl on your forums.
 

IschKabibble

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Still waiting on a direct quote from Bannon that he "loves" this book. I can't find it...
 
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I've heard that claim before, although I've never seen any proof to the claim, can you provide any? It's also possible that Cenk, the anchor, was mistaken, as the Armenian genocide certainly took place, however, there is a lot of propaganda about it not happening in Turkey and amongst Turks. Definitely not their finest hour.

Well let's ignore THE YOUNG TURKS name that they claim is a total coincidence.

Someone critical of him:
Cenk Uygur, The Young Turks, and The Denial of The Armenian Genocide


Cenk:

1991
Denies:
Column: Historical Fact or Falsehood?

1999
Denies:
Letters to the Editor

I am a Turkish-American and I am sure my views will also be looked
upon with a certain wariness, but I do not subscribe to the idea that I am
disqualified from objectivity by my ethnicity.

First, at the very beginning of the article, you seem to reach a conclusion
— “The central Armenian experience of the 20th century, after all, was the
death of as many as 1.5 million Armenians …” and “Every neutral scholar
agrees that the Turkish position is propaganda.”

The United States helped to sponsor war propaganda against Turkey during World War I as part
of an official campaign to smear its enemies, as it did with Germany. Part
of this propaganda was the evil butchery of the Turks against the
defenseless Christian Armenians. This is what has been rooted in the
popular memory of America, with very few Turkish-Americans to combat the
insinuations of savagery, yet this is not propaganda?

As far as I could see from the article, every non-Armenian scholar in the field
believes it is an open question whether this event was a genocide. Is it the claim of the article that all of these people are tainted by the tentacles of the Turkish government? If not, then why is it not pointed out that no one outside of the “Armenian position” believes it is a genocide?
Why is it assumed that the “Turkish studies side” has the burden of proof in
overturning the verdict of Turkish guilt? It is because of the underlying
assumption that despite what these people in “Turkish studies” say, there must have been a genocide.

I once asked a professor of mine who taught a class on the laws of war and
war crimes at Columbia Law School to deprogram me from all the propaganda I
had received growing up Turkish. I asked him to please find me evidence of
the genocide by neutral scholars so I could know the truth.

After investigating the issue, he came back and said that he could not find
one non-Armenian scholar who believed this was a genocide, but since “it
looked like a duck, it walked like a duck and it talked like a duck, it
must be a duck.” If that’s not the product of excellent propaganda, I don’t know what is.


Gets lambasted for the shows name and his holocaust denying last year as they became more prominent during the election...moves to "not knowing enough and not gonna mention it anymore"
Rescinding Daily Pennsylvanian Article

A year later, still doesn't know enough and just doesn't talk about it.

I would say that's a bit too little if we took a more known genocide such as WWII.

Deny deny deny...then after the criticism and your show being very public you say, "sorry, you're right, I don't know if the jews really died en masse or if its just propaganda."



And yeah I'm aware of the issues inside of Turkey in denying the Armenian genocide. I don't doubt that's why he is a genocide denier.
 

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Racist.

Gang Rape In Sweden Streamed Live On Facebook

Stockholm, Sweden: Three young men suspected of gang raping a woman in Sweden and livestreaming the attack on Facebook have been detained, police said, urging social media users on Monday to turn over the footage.

The suspects, aged 18, 20 and 24, were arrested early Sunday in an apartment in Uppsala, 70 kilometres (45 miles) north of Stockholm, in the presence of their 30-year-old victim after members of a Facebook group saw the attack streamed live and alerted police.

The closed Facebook group has 60,000 members.

Gang Rape In Sweden Streamed Live On Facebook
 

IschKabibble

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Why would I need to?
Because you joined the thread to defend the premise that Steve Bannon is a racist because he referenced a book. Find me the part where he says he "loves" the book, or concede that this is more fake news.
 

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Because you joined the thread to defend the premise that Steve Bannon is a racist because he referenced a book. Find me the part where he says he "loves" the book, or concede that this is more fake news.
If it were fake news, then Breitbart-dude is the last guy that could complain. :D

Why are you so adversarial though? I didn't join the thread for what you are insinuating, but I feel I contributed in the broader context of the book. Even your boss gave me an informative rating. Recognize!
 
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Yup. She's the best.
"She’s buddies with the Clintons. She sang a song at Bill Clinton’s Investiture Ceremony10and she donated her song, “You and I,” to the Hillary Clinton presidential campaign.11

If she was an American, judging by her contempt for the Bush administration and her connections to the Clinton family, we’d have to say she’s a Democrat."

FACE!

Haha I'm funny