- Feb 12, 2015
Here is Kens defense for the KO shot. He sees it coming, closes his eyes, ducks his chin, and puts his head into it lolol
Total troll watch the flurry before. Ken is already dazed and throws a big punch leaving himself open for the counter. Show the 3 seconds prior to this punch.Here is Kens defense for the KO shot. He sees it coming, closes his eyes, ducks his chin, and puts his head into it lolol
Now this we agree on. That's either a work, or Ken realizing he wasn't going to win the fight and taking the easy way out. Still don't agree on the Kimbo fight, but I respect your opinion and persistence sirAnother Ken dive. Goes down when his glove gets grazed.
The lutter/Eastman phantom punch was worse than thatNow this we agree on. That's either a work, or Ken realizing he wasn't going to win the fight and taking the easy way out. Still don't agree on the Kimbo fight, but I respect your opinion and persistence sir
Forrest had been KO'd pretty badly within a couple of weeks of the Silva fight. Really, he shouldn't have fought, and it showed when he was KO'd easily.Shamrock came back from a 5 year retirement to get one more pay day. Let's say he won, then what? Is he going to take some more fights? Work his way up to a title fight? Hell no. He's done. So if that's his last pay day why not maximize the payout with back room payout for taking a dive. Everyone makes money and Bellator can make some future fights for Kimbo, preferably "exciting", as you defined them, stand up fights. Money, money, money and all the while the casual fan is too stupid to know they're watching fixed fights. People who have followed mma from the start know when something doesn't look right. I can name a couple of fights that looked fixed in the UFC - 1. Silva/Griffin (Griffin gets KO'ed by a jab Silva threw going backwards. Silva was good but not that damn good)....2. Kimbo (once again)/Alexander (what a farce that fight was). So fixed fights happen and when they do it's pretty obvious. I'm sure there are some that aren't so obvious, It depends on how good the actors are.
I agree that there is little reason to assume Bellator would be in on a fix for this fight. But not because there is some "astronomical" risk, as you put it, but because there isn't enough reward.Of all the fights one COULD fix, why the hell would anyone fix a fight between two fighters who are not in their competitive primes and have roughly the same fan appeal? Kimbo winning doesn't do much more for Bellator than Ken winning.
is moot, because "getting caught" is extraordinarily unlikely. The athletic commission members certainly aren't going to start investigations based on internet chatter, nor are they going to drop a drink mid-fight with finger pointed at the TV screen, yelling outrage, followed by frantic phone calls to other members of the commission, based on their own suspicions. And nobody who voices concern directly to the commission is going to be taken seriously either unless they have proof. But there will never be proof unless people involved, for some reason, start talking, or a mysterious tape shows up at the doorstep of the athletic commissioner.To get caught fixing a fight is tantamount to promotional suicide. ANYONE (the UFC, Dana, Coker, the Fertitta's, etc) who is caught influencing the outcome of a fight will never legally be allowed to promote a fight again
1. The clinch was weird, but it isn't the only time we have seen fighters clinch like that. DC vs Jones they clinched like that for significant time periods for instance. Also BJM was right next to them, and if he couldn't hear them talking I don't think they were. There is no way in hell that BJM was party to any work, I just don't believe it.1. Weird clinch in the beginning. They were talking to each other and doing nothing, and did a break like it was, ready, set, break. WWE stuff.
2. Takedowns looked fake as hell. They were slow and being shot from across the cage. The second one Kimbo lifted his leg for, didnt try to fight it off at all, and sat into it like her was closelined in a pro wrestling match.
3. The choke looked fake as hell. Shamrock, who has been doing submission fighting for 30 years couldnt finish a RNC against a guy who gave him his back and neck, Kimbo had his hands at his sides, wasnt even trying to defend it and Shammy had one arm in deep. Shamrock never pulled his shoulders back, never tensed his arms up, nothing, Shamrock never threw one punch to his head or anything. It looked like classic WWE stuff.
4, Kimbo does a face like he is going to pass out and Hogan style, he gets up and right out of Shamrocks hold. Shamrock is in possibly the most favorable of all positions in fighting. He had him in a RNC, had his back with hooks in, and Kimbo just stands up out of it like he has no problem at all and Shamrock does nothing to try keeping him there.
5. Storybook KO. First punches of the entire fight, up until then no one threw fists at each other, and he catches Ken and it is over.
6. Walkout in the beginning was weird, and felt off from the get go. Ken didnt looked focused for all the training he did. He didnt seem like a guy going into battle. He looked like he was doing a pro-wrestling gig.
7. Ken has been known to take dives before. His Berry fight was an obvious dive or fix. He did worked fights for a living in pro-wrestling so he would have no problem with it. He needs the money.
8. Leading up to the fight the animosity in interviews Ken wanted to kill Kimbo. The fight happens and Kimbo supposedly tapped according to Ken and that is the reason he let up. Ken isnt like that and he would have been all over McCarthy after the fight, yelling and hollering there was a tap. He did nothing.
I agree but the RNC was very suspect. Ken has mastered that to a point he knows every in and out of it. I dont think the KO was put on, but i wouldnt be surprised if there was a try to let the fight go on as long as possible. Just a mystery as to why Ken attempted the RNC as he did even with the way kimbo attempted to get out of it. As for the fight, i really dont care, neither was main event material.How many of you guys saying it was a work have competed in MMA? That's not an appeal to authority and you certainly don't have to have competed to have a valid opinion but when you have, you realise that things don't go like they would in your head, especially when one guy is an old man who hasn't fought for years and is giving up 30lbs to a guy who can one punch KTFO and the other guy is......"technically limited" and also out of regular competition
Has he? I haven't seen evidence of that. I have seen evidence of fighters being in the game a long time and still making fundamental mistakes. We know Ken was clueless to the RNC in UFC1. Do we have evidence that he's addressed that hole in his game and mastered the technique since then?I agree but the RNC was very suspect. Ken has mastered that to a point he knows every in and out of it.
He choked Bas Rutten out with one, so probably.Has he? I haven't seen evidence of that. I have seen evidence of fighters being in the game a long time and still making fundamental mistakes. We know Ken was clueless to the RNC in UFC1. Do we have evidence that he's addressed that hole in his game and mastered the technique since then?
LOL, good oneHe choked Bas Rutten out with one, so probably.